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Sunday, 18 October 2015

[haguruka.com] Re: The Citizen-Tanzania @EAC must end Burundi and Rwanda animosity.

 

@JB, 
Cela n'a rien a voir avec le fait de poster avec le telephone. 
Je poste tous mes postings sur ces fora en utilsant mon telephone et je prends toujours le soin d'indiquer chaque fois le lien original.


On Oct 18, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Jean Bosco Sibomana sibomanaxyz999@gmail.com [fondationbanyarwanda] <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr> wrote:

 

Mr Kamugisha,


Je l'ai dit plusieurs fois, pour avoir le lien, il suffit de taper le titre du posting dans Google. Je poste avec un téléphone, la version mobile de l'Internet a des fonctions réduites. Ce n'est pas comme l'ordonnateur. Voici le résultat de la recherche en tapant le titre du posting dans Google:

https://www.google.ca/search?site=&source=hp&ei=j-IjVs6VCcau-AHgqZOICQ&q=Re%3A+*DHR*+The+Citizen-Tanzania+%40EAC+must+end+Burundi+and+Rwanda+animosity.&oq=Re%3A+*DHR*+The+Citizen-Tanzania+%40EAC+must+end+Burundi+and+Rwanda+animosity.&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.12...5172.5172.0.10106.3.2.1.0.0.0.269.269.2-1.1.0....0...1c.2.64.mobile-gws-hp..2.1.148.3.-XaWK99_xsc

Le dimanche 18 octobre 2015, Jerome Kamugisha jerome.kamugisha@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights] <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> a écrit :
 

Indiquez-nous,svp, l'origine de cet article reproduit,tel quel, par Sibomana. Mon souci a d'ores et déjà été ressenti et exprimé, sur ce Forum, par plusieurs personnes soucieuses de ne pas être systématiquement,moutonièrement et impunément soumises au matracage de cerveau par ceux-là mêmes qui semblent en avoir fait un métier, s'agissant notamment de la diabolisation expéditive des FDLR, du régime Nkurunziza... ou, au contraire, de la béatification des agissements criminels ( en cours) de la part des néoconquérants des Grands Lacs, dans l'Est de la RDC, au Burundi ou en Tanzanie  ! JK



Le Dimanche 18 octobre 2015 6h44, "Jean Bosco Sibomana sibomanaxyz999@gmail.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> a écrit :


 

EAC must end Burundi and Rwanda animosity

The East African Community (EAC) -- made up of Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi -- is far from achieving its goal of becoming a federation. A lot has been done towards achieving the goal. A number of organs have been put in place, including the East African Legislative Assembly and the East African Court of Justice. A number of protocols, treaties and agreements have also been signed and ratified.
The regional bloc has even established its permanent headquarters in Arusha with its own structures. All this is thanks to the commitment shown by all the member states. However, all has not been rosy as there has been slackness on the side of individual member states, reluctance and at times over ambition by others. There have also been diplomatic rows between certain members like the one between Tanzania and Rwanda. Thanks to diplomatic efforts the row was ended and relations between the two countries normalised.
But, for a number of months now things have not been well between Burundi and Rwanda. A diplomatic row has been simmering while the other member states of the EAC looking on without being seen to be doing something to end it.
The two countries have a lot in common: they share a language, their populations are divided between Hutus and Tutsis, they have been through a number of bloody civil strife and they are under constant threat of rebel groups. Even as they share so many attributes, the two countries are also very different. Rwanda has in the past twenty years enjoyed relative peace and stability as well as putting in place sound economic policies that seem to have started delivering dividends to the citizens. This has not been the case with Burundi.
Burundi's relative calm was short-lived after the incumbent president, Pierre Nkurunziza, decided to seek a third term in office early this year, thus tampering with the Arusha Accord.
Growing animosity between the two countries
Since the controversial election to his third term, Nkurunziza has been struggling to retain control of the government. In mid-year, a coup nearly kicked him out of power. In an interview in July, Burundi's Foreign minister Alain Nyamitwe alleged that they were aware that at least three coup leaders were living in Rwanda. For its part, Kigali denied the allegations but has been expressing its fear that the situation in Rwanda could provide the breeding ground for rebel groups to launch their attacks against the country.
The situation was further complicated by the assassination of General Adolphe Nshimirimana who had played a great role in crushing anti-Nkurunziza protests and even helped foil the coup. No one has been linked to the assassination, but under the current situation, Bujumbura has been pointing fingers at Kigali.
Early this month, Burundi expelled Desire Nyaruhiriria, a first minister counsellor at the Rwandan embassy in Bujumbura. Furthermore, Burundian authorities expelled several Rwandan traders in Kayanza, a city in the north. In September Burundi filed an official complaint with the International Conference on the Great Lakes Region accusing Kigali of acts of aggression against its territory.
This situation of accusations and counter-accusations of acts of aggression between the two EAC member states is not healthy for the prosperity of the region. It is time leaders from the other member states intervened and ended the animosity between the two neighbours. The goal of achieving integration will not be realised unless each member in the bloc lived peacefully with its neighbours. The bloc should not wait until the situation turns into a fully-blown conflict for it to intervene.
Peace is the most important single factor for development. It is time to take action.


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-The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
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Friday, 16 October 2015

[haguruka.com] Re: MBANDA arabandabanda !

 

Mukomere.

Ndagira ngo nanjye nunge mu ry'abambajirije, nshimire Bwana Mbanda kubrera iriya mpoanuro nziza yatugejejeho.

Ndashimira kandi na Bwana Theodore wavuze ko ziriya ngingo eshanu za Mbanda zagombye kwuzuzwa no KWICISHA BUGUFI (humilité) ndetnse o KWOROHERANA (tolérance) kandi abanyarwanda tukikura mo umuco mubi wo kwumva ko ubutegetsi mu Rwanda bugomba guhinduka ari uko hamenetse amaraso.

Ndagira ngo kandi nshimire n'uwiyise akazina k'umuderi ka "Survivre_Au_Chaos" cyane cyane munyandiko ye isubiza Kamondo aho yagize ati:
"Si il [Mbanda] pense que manifester contre Kagame ne vaut pas la peine, oublie-t-il que tout, à travers les âges, s'est obtenu grâce aux manifestations -pacifiques ou violentes- ? Non, je ne crois pas qu'il l'ignore, il est suffisamment intelligent.Je ne peux lui prêter de mauvaises intentions, non, non. Je sais combien il est révolté par le système en face."

Nduzuza Mbanda, Theodore na Survivre_Au_Chaos, mvuga ko ntacyo abanyarwanda tuzigera twigeza ho mu gihe mu mitwe yacu hakiri mo umuco wo kwihorera, kwiganzurana, no kwihimurana ho.

Maze iminsi nshakisha hirya no hino kw'isi ngirango nsobanukirwe ukuntu ibihungu banyuze mu mahano nk'ayagwiriye u Rda byayigobotoyemo, bikaba bikataje mu majyambere, nta mpunzi nta mwiryane mu benegihugu. Ingero z'ibyo bihugu ni: Cambodia, Indonesia, El Salvador na South Africa.

Mu bushakashatsi nakoze (kandi nkikora) nasanze nta rindi banga biriya bihugu birusha u Rda ritari ukwiyoroshya no kworoherana. Imanza zunga (restorative justice) ni ngombwa, zirakenewe ariko imanza zitanya abenegihugu nk'iza TPIR, n'iza gacaca, nta mwanya zigeze zigira muri biriya bihugu.

Nasanze kandi ko kubera umutekano urambye usigaye urangwa muri biriya bihugu narondoye, ishoramari ryarakataje cyane cyane ku byerekeye inganda ku buryo ino muri Amerika amasoko yuzuye ibicuruzwa bikorerwa muri ibyo bihugu. Ibi byatumye numva neza impamvu u Rda n'ubwo hari abarushimagiza ngo rwarakataje mu majyambere abashoramari bagiseta ibirenge mu byerekeye kwimurirayo inganda zinyuranye. Ikibazo cy'ingutu rero u Rda rufite ni umutekano urambye (stabilite a long terme). Abanyarwanda ndetse n'amahanga bose bazi neza ko u Rda ari nk'ikirunga gisinziriye. Ibi byagaragajwe mu buryo burambuye na raporo ya AFRICOM yasohotse muri 2011.

Hakorwa iki rero kugira ngo abanyarwanda natwe tugere ku mahoro/umutekano urambye nk'uwo tubona muri biriya bihugu narondoye hejuru?

-U Rda rukeneye umuyobozi udashyira inda ye/ubwoko bwe imbere, umuyobozi abanyarwanda bose bibonamo, ariko kandi akanagira n'igitinyiro, ku buryo atatinya gusubiza mu bitereko (akoresheje inzego zibishinzwe) umuntu wese washaka kwishyira hejuru y'amategeko.

-  U Rda (Abanyarwanda) rukeneye kandi gutekereza niba gukomeza kwishyingikiriza ingabo bitari mu bintu bituma abayobozi bacu bigira indakoreka bityo tukareba niba bitaba ngombwa ko Itegeko Nshinga rivugururwa rigaca burundu igisirikari nk'uko bimeze ubu muri Costa Rica (kuva muri 1948) no muri Panama (kuva muri 1994).

Ibi bintu byombi nibigerwa ho, nta kabuza u Rda ruzarusha ho kuba icyitegererezo cy'amahanga ku byerekeye kubungabunga amahoro hirya no hino kw'isi, kwihaza mu biribwa, uburezi bujyanye n'igihe tugezemo, ubuvuzi mbonera kuri buri munyarwanda, ubwiteganirize bwiza kuri buri munyarwanda, ibikorwa remezo bidashyikirwa mu byerekeye guhana amakuru, gutwara abantu n'ibintu, ingufu z'amashanyarazi, n'ibindi.

Ngaho rero ntiti zacu nimuze turushe ho gutekereza ukuntu aka kaduruvayo abanyarwanda ubwacu twakivana mo tutagombeye ko amahanga ari yo afata iyo mbere cg ngo abe ari yo avuza ifirimbi yo gutangira.

By'umwihariko ndagira nshimangire akamaro k'imyigaragambyo (iyo yitabiwe n'imbaga itagira ingano). Apartheid ntiyari gucika iyo Amerika itarekura Gashakabuhake ibitewe n'imyigaragambyo yaberaga buri munsi i Washington DC imbere ya Ambasade ya South Africa.

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From: "Survivre AuChaos survivre_au_chaos@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
To: "Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: *DHR* MBANDA arabandabanda !

 
Imondo we, waramutse !

Je suis peut-être idiot, mais quand j'entends quelqu'un parler d'accuser l'ONU devant la CPI, de poursuivre collectivement en justice Gérard GAHIMA ou de manifester contre Dallaire etc. etc. je prends ça pour de la diversion.

Vous pouvez le voir autrement, allez-y. Si il pense que manifester contre Kagame ne vaut pas la peine, oublie-t-il que tout, à travers les âges, s'est obtenu grâce aux manifestations -pacifiques ou violentes- ? Non, je ne crois pas qu'il l'ignore, il est suffisamment intelligent.Je ne peux lui prêter de mauvaises intentions, non, non. Je sais combien il est révolté par le système en face.

Mais je crois que probablement il est fatigué et tente de regarder ailleurs. Malheureusement, en regardant ailleurs, ce qui est son droit, il veut tirer tout le monde dans la même direction, direction qui n'est pas la bonne.

Je n'ai pas commenté les autres points du message qui sont pertinents évidemment. Et je lui dit merci encore une fois pour avoir rappelé, notamment, l'impérieuse nécessité de "kwibuka ineza".

Mais sur les autres points, ceux que j'ai évoqué dans mon posting, il ne me semble pas ressembler à notre précieux Manda.

Le lion serait-il fatigué ?

Survivre_Au_Chaos



Le Vendredi 16 octobre 2015 10h48, "Kamondo11 kamondo11@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr> a écrit :


 
Quelle diversion y a t il dans ceci? Harimo ubwenge ahubwo ni nacyo upfa niyo propositions, uzira ubwnge!!

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From: Survivre AuChaos survivre_au_chaos@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 10:09
To: Dhr Group
Subject: *DHR* MBANDA arabandabanda !

 

1. Negereye incuti zanjye hano mba muli CANADA ndazibwira nti aho kwirirwa muvuza induru ngo muramagana KAGAME kugeza aho babitiye "abajyinga", mwaje tukajya gukora imyigaragambyo kuli Parlement yo kwamagana DALLAIRE Kubera ko akomeje guhisha amabanga kubyabaye mu mahano yagwiriye Agatha Uwiringiyimana muwi1994.

DIVERSION !!

2. Kandi ibi akabimbwira akanwa kuzuye "ifi alimo avanga na divayi". Namubwira nti banza umire ubone kuvuga ati urantutse.

DIVERSION !!

3. Hambere aha nabwiye incuti zanjye tuvugana hafi buli munsi ziba muli HOLLANDE( Pays-bas) nti aho kwirirwa mukora mobilisation ngo yo kujya kwamagana Kagame wihâniye gahunda n'abenegihugu bamwemera kandi bamushyigikiye mu byiswe "RWANDA DAY",

DIVERSION !!

4. Mwaretse tugategura ibirego bibili kimwe kirega UBUBILIGI ikindi kirega LONU ko byatereranye abanyarwanda mu mahano yagwiririye uRwanda muwi 1994 ,maze mukadutegurira imyigaragambyo aho muli HOLLANDE tukahahurira tukajyana ibyo birego kuli rwa rukiko mpuza mahanga kandi mpanabyaha ruli aho i La HAYE.

DIVERSION !!

5. Ejo bundi nasubiye mu nyandiko za Gerard GAHIMA mbwira incuti zanjye ziba hano muli CANADA, iziba mubu HOLLANDE , iziba mu ubuBELGE, iziba mubuFRANCE n'iziba muli Leta zunze ubumwe z'AMERIKA, nti ko bigaragara ko GERARD GAHIMA yagize uruhare mu kubuza amahanga gutabara ababyarwanda balimo bazira akarengane igihe cya amahano yagwiririye uRwanda muwi 1994, mwaretse tukishyira hamwe tugategura ikirego turega Gerard Gahima uruhare yagize icyo gihe maze abali muli ETATS-UNIS bakadushakira abaAVOCATS babahanga kandi bemewe maze tukamurega mu rukiko.

DIVERSION !!

Survivre_Au_Chaos





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-The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
-I have loved justice and hated iniquity: therefore I die in exile.
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“Uwigize agatebo ayora ivi”. Ubutegetsi bukugira agatebo ukariyora uko bukeye n’uko bwije.

"Ce dont j’ai le plus peur, c’est des gens qui croient que, du jour au lendemain, on peut prendre une société, lui tordre le cou et en faire une autre."

“The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”

“The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.”

“I have loved justice and hated iniquity: therefore I die in exile."

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