> From: mulindwa@look.ca
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY TARGETED HIM { ---------Series fifteen }
> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 03:45:48 -0500
>
> Ugandans are funny people. Do you remember when they went after Obote and getting a honorary degree? It was a topic in UAH for months as Obote never had a degree as how a honorary degree is a sign of dictatorial. Well guess what Yoweri Museveni has the following honorary degrees. {1} University of Humphrey of public affairs, United States Doctor of laws 1994 {2} Mbarara University of science and technology Uganda doctor of laws 2003 {3} Latin university of theology United States doctor of divinity 2007 {4} Faith university Turkey Honorary degree 2010 {5} Makerere University Uganda doctor of laws 2010 {6} University of Der Es Salaam Tanzania Doctor of literature 2011.
>
> And no one has stood up to question them as they questioned Obote's single honorary !!!!!
>
> EM
> On the 49th Parallel
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
> "With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ikanos Doyen
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 12:35 AM
> To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY TARGETED HIM { ---------/Series fifteen }
>
> Like I said...
>
> Many esp. Ug.- Asian citizens now living abroad, have much recorded Uganda 'his-story' inside their suitcases.
>
> The digitalising of them onto media as the 'You Tube'
> as always, is highly appreciated by global villagers
> - whatever titles one choose to use for the ePosts:
>
> Listening, reading, or watching varied sides of his-story may be entertaining, but more importantly educative i.e. to avoid the repeats of the mistakes past or passed
>
> e.g. has Uganda accepted the brutal truth aboutAmin?
> - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9JN8oAy5JU
>
> Peace To The World /
> Amb. Ikanos aka Doyen Alwasi Ata.
>
>
> On 11/26/14, Ocen Nekyon <ocennekyon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > EM;
> >
> > My problem with you is you are trying to carry an argument without
> > necessarily having the required capacity to sustain it.
> >
> > You are now trying to justify the killing of Senior Army officers
> > because it was during a coup. Which basically shows you that you do
> > not have the comprehensive skills to understand the fact that many of
> > these officers were killed weeks after the Coup had succeeded. That is
> > pure and utter murder under any basic law. One can only imagine the
> > trauma faced by their families and friends but I should know because I lost very relatives.
> >
> >
> > If I was to accommodate your way of thinking, which I don't, but for
> > the arguments sake I will agree that it was okay to kill disarmed
> > soldiers who had surrendered. Why then would you have a problem with
> > the unfortunate events around Ombachi; where an undermanned and ill
> > trained UNLA were battling with elements of the then defunct Uganda Army.
> >
> > Many of ex-Uganda troops were camped around the border areas of the
> > now South-Sudan and Eastern Zaire, where they would make occasional
> > incursions into Ombachi.
> >
> > All things being equal; war exacts a heavy price on everybody and
> > civilians suffer big time when caught in the middle as the unfortunate events reveal.
> >
> >
> > But we should also dispense with the stupid notion that you are
> > trying to be reasonable when presenting your arguments.
> >
> >
> > Ocen
> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> > From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:40 PM
> > To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> > Reply To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY
> > TARGETED HIM { ---------Series fifteen }
> >
> > Moses Nekyon
> >
> >
> >
> > You have written very well and you deserve a response.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am going to ignore the abusiveness you have used but simply respond
> > to the facts you have put down for the education of the public. When
> > Amin over-threw the government it was a military over-throw. Soldiers
> > had to be revolved into a new command that was needed. As that change
> > was being done, Acholi and Langi officers rejected the government and
> > started to resist the moment those changes were implemented. January
> > 25/26/27 started to be a chaos for many arrests had to be done and
> > many soldiers were killed. My God Mubende barracks was wiped out for
> > the commander again an Acholi, refused to submit to the new command.
> > He was given to 14 days and the entire barracks was rebuilt, so let
> > usnot kid our selves that Amin was a clean man. He was solider and
> > acted that way. I have seen the list of killing places you have posted
> > but I think also there were soldiers killed in Lubiri as well. When I
> > reach on the lows of Amin I will expand on that. It is important to
> > note that the list of people you are stating to be killed were soldiers, I have never denied that. Look when you join the army you can live or you can die.
> > And in any country. It is therefore important that you isolate
> > yourself from I know all those that died to who was Iddi Amin. There
> > was an attack on Uganda in 1972, Acholi's were being recruited inside
> > George Okello's own bedroom, what did you want the government to do with them?
> >
> >
> >
> > So to me as EM I do not sit here to judge Amin and what he did
> > militarily to the soldiers, I am here to judge him to what he did in
> > the country. Did Iddi Amin target Acholi's and Langis to murder them?
> > No he did not for I have read all your postings and I have not seen a
> > single village you have posted in Acholi land that was blown up by
> > Iddi Amin for he hates them. None what so ever. When you go to the
> > places Acholi's have served they have massacred villages, they go
> > after people than the army. Ocen Amin's soldiers saved the entire
> > population out of the Mutukula war, do you have a single civilian that
> > was saved out of West Nile and Luwero war? What village held the
> > refugee camp? That is the difference between Amin and UNLA. When a
> > government fails to protect the population it is no longer a government. And here is the photograph from the series I have posted just today.
> > [image] Ocen Nekyon this is an old woman that might have not even
> > seen Iddi Amin's face. Her mistake she is from West Nile, a place of
> > birth made Acholi's shoot her and not only shoot her but shoot her in the back.
> > Seriously why didn't George Okello defend this woman for her rights?
> > And her is where it gets so frustrating, in as much as you list the
> > names of soldiers that were killed, you do not have Acholi Langi old
> > ladies laying on gunners for Amin pumped bullets into their backs. On
> > record to today there is no single village in Acholi land that was
> > ever attacked by Uganda Army, absolutely none. Acholi's and Langis got
> > the very same service as all Ugandans did.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now let us go on institutions, yes we come from Africa which is a
> > third world country, but when Amin came to power he never destroyed institutions.
> > He hated Obote but he never blew up Dr. Obote College, he left it
> > standing but changed its name to something I cannot remember, probably
> > Boroboro high or something like that. Sir Samuel Baker was also
> > changed to something I do not remember, but both schools remained
> > serving and students went to school as other students in the country.
> > Amin changed Apollo Hotel to Uganda hotels but still fully funded it
> > and it remained running fully. And her is where the argument becomes
> > very complex, when Acholi's arrived into West Nile, they blew up all
> > schools, all hospitals, all churches and all government buildings.
> > There was no government in West Nile and there was no election in West
> > Nile. Can you list a single government service that Amin pulled out of
> > Acholi land? But I need only one. And I fully understand your agony
> > for you were born in a very small population region where everyone
> > knows everyone and every one is a soldier, so when you get a military
> > take over every family will know a dead man, but do you really want a
> > debate on how Amin lead Uganda? People will stand up and will speak sir for we lived in the country.
> >
> >
> >
> > We need to stand up and go after violence in our people, UPC has to
> > start to accept that the masses is their responsibility to protect,
> > Acholi's need to drop the gun. Our people have suffered enough.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > EM
> >
> > On the 49th Parallel
> >
> > Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri
> > Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na
> > Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
> > machafuko"
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> > [mailto:ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Moses Ocen
> > Nekyon
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:01 PM
> > To: Ugandans At Heart
> > Subject: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY TARGETED
> > HIM { ---------àSeries fifteen }
> >
> >
> >
> > Folks:
> >
> >
> >
> > For the last couple of days, I have either received private emails or
> > phone calls from a number of UAH members. They were concerned about
> > the rantings of a one Edward Mulindwa, and his "series " on the above topic.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Some were advising me either to ignore him or set the record straight.
> > Most of my replies to these concerned comrades was that Edward
> > Mulindwa, is the least of my worries. As Mr Pojim aptly pointed out;
> > "an idle mind is the devils workshop." What amused me is that the
> > receipient did not realize he had just been insulted.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The only little note of concern is who is actually believing some of
> > gibberish being presented as a series. As turbulent as our short
> > history has been, it is quite amazing to note that few people know
> > the facts or if they do, it is skewed irrespective of the evidence.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Case in point: there are many people including EM who believe that
> > Idi Amin, built Uganda House-New York. A lot of evidence exists to
> > debunk that theory but as I said before; skewed minds will always remain skewed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That being said; we should always remember that finishing up somebody
> > else's concept is a lot easier than starting and finishing ones own!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On the main issue of the culpability of Acholi's and Langi's in
> > regards to fighting Idi Amin, again a lot of information is being
> > omited. whether by ignorance or intent, I am not going to even try and figure that out.
> > Outright avoidance in talking about the of events around the January
> > 25th Coup masks the true nature of Acholi's and Langi's opposition to Idi Amin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Let me summarize a few things for all to ponder:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 1) During the first week of the January 25th Coup, most or all Luo
> > officers from the rank of Major and up were rounded up and imprisoned.
> > These included all the Battalion and Brigade commanders who were on
> > leave and thus did not participate in the Coup or efforts to counter it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The reason why the officers were easily rounded up was because an
> > announcement was made by the new government ordering all officers to
> > report back to duty. Public and private assurances were made to the
> > effect there would be no recriminations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Shortly after that announcement, my mother got a call from my father's
> > younger brother; Lt Colonel John Baptist Oboma-Ayume, who was in
> > hiding. He
> > (Oboma) was the commander of the Battalion based out of Fort Portal.
> > He was telling her (Mom) that everything was okay and he was in the
> > process of reporting to which she objected to. The reason being she
> > had had a conversation with a Dr George Ebine, my father's cousin,
> > whose sad tale makes up part of the movie "The Rise and Fall of Idi Amin."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > He (Ebine) specifically told my Mom to convey a message to my Father
> > and his brother (Oboma) not to come out of hiding because being
> > stationed in Mulago Hospital and it's Morgue, he was seeing the
> > regimes first victims. And those were the" lucky ones" whose bodies
> > did not become part of the "diet" for River Nile Crocodiles.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2) Many of the surrendering officers were either transferred to the
> > Makindye Barracks's Gowdown or one of the small prisons in Mutukula in
> > the area bordering Tanzania. One of the persons sent to Mutukula was
> > the Head of CID, a one Hassan who was Persian by origin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The "reward" given to these unfortunate souls by Edward Mulindwa's
> > hero, Idi Amin, for cooperating was being blown by dynamite sticks.
> > It is said that a couple of people survived the blast and we're finished off with Axes:
> > that was the fate of the former head of CID Hassan.
> >
> >
> >
> > All this happened during the first weeks of the Coup before anybody
> > could get a good read for the things to come;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 3) Then came 1972 after the invasion of exiles from Tanzania: the
> > events at the Mbarara and Moroto Barracks are a tale for another day
> > due to space and time;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 4) I have written extensively about the brutal murder of the late
> > Archbishop Janani Luwum, and the two ministers. So I do not want
> > repeat stuff, however; it is important to note that after being told
> > by Edward Mulindwa, that he would provide proof of how the Archbishop
> > smuggled arms through Tanzania, a really tall tale began to be yarned.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > According to him(Mulindwa) based on a law "passed" by parliament any
> > senior officer in government could clear containers through the
> > border. Two things are odd with Mulindwa's statement: one being
> > parliament had been disbanded and the old parliament had never passed
> > such a ridulous law. When asked to provide the section of the 1967
> > constitution that sanctioned such authority, he (Mulindwa) went mute.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mulindwa went on to narrate how the container came through Mombasa and
> > was cleared by YY Okoth at Malaba. The little problem he is (Mulindwa)
> > is talking about Kenya and not Tanzania where fellows like me were residing.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm willing to bet that Edward Mulindwa did not do well in Geography.
> >
> >
> >
> > In the same vein; Hussein Amin, once claimed that the late Archbishop
> > Janani Luwum, confessed in front of the international press of his
> > involvement in a Coup Attempt against the then government.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What I said then I will say again: feel free to post any articles of
> > proof of the late Archbishop confessing about the said "coup!"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 5) Last but not least; there are is the harrowing tale of Okello
> > Lawoko, who was also imprisoned within the dungeons of State Research
> > Bureau (SRB). He witnessed and describes in detail how the likes of
> > Farouk Minawa, who was the then head of (SRB), broke the Archbishop's
> > jaw for simply kneeling and praying. It seems that one act by the
> > late Archbishop infuriated the Farouk Minawa's to no end.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I for one can never condemn a whole tribe based on the actions of a
> > few individuals as is being attempted here. Somehow it is okay based
> > on the heading above to blame Acholi's and Langi's but not do the same
> > to West Nilers and Nubians who populated Idi Amin's killing machines.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That is the level of shallow thinking we have sunk to.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ocen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> >
> > From: Allan
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:30 AM
> >
> > To: ug at
> >
> > Reply To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs, THEY
> > TARGETED HIM { ---------àSeries fifteen }
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh yea?
> > Wait when the war ends after Katonga river and Rwanda closes her boarder.
> >
> > On Nov 26, 2014 10:14 AM, "MAYIMUNA KENYI" <mayimuna@rogers.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ombaci! I always heard of the Ombaci Massacre but I had never
> >> actually read about it or known how it happened. I've just read this
> >> report and Oooh! terrible. May the poor souls RIP!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:22 PM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa
> >> <mulindwa@look.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ombaci (English)
> >>
> >> Ombaci (Lugbara)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Stay in the forum for Series sixteen is on the way ------>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> EM
> >>
> >> On the 49th Parallel
> >>
> >> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri
> >> Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
> >> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na
> >> Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
> >> machafuko"
>
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