Dear Ugandans, whatever you write you should recognise true wisdom and real politics.
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:59:28 +0000
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SV: SV: {UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at large
From: 'Ingram Kampe' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: SV: SV: {UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at large
Peter Simon-really-you think SA should have arrested Bashir? Discuss.--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/16/15, 'Simon Okurut' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: SV: SV: {UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at large
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Received: Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 10:55 AM
Ndugu
Ocaya,
I think we should
focus on the issue at hand by asking ourselves whether
African dictators are being targeted or they are simply many
committing the crimes they are accused of. Killing whether
by African or western leaders is bad but killing the very
people you are supposed to protect is extremely worse.
Imagine what the Sudan says, that the western world is
exaggerating the number of Darfurians killed, that it is
300, 000 but only 10,000 people that they know they killed.
So, for Sudan, 10,000 people killed is nothing to worry
about, like saying the western countries must be crazy to
worry about the death of ten thousand.
The guy shouldn't have been released but
there you are, your friend Zuma released him, because like
Ocaya says, the west should not target African leaders!
Peter Simon
On Tue, 6/16/15, 'Ocaya
Mike pOcure' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
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wrote:
Subject: SV: SV:
{UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at
large
To: "ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com"
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Received: Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 11:45 AM
South Africa and President Zuma looked around the table and saw current president of Kenya, president of Rwanda, president of Uganda, president of South Sudan, etc. quietly sat. They saw also President Bashir wanted. And, they also know files from these countries as that club of UA/AU is led by a south African.
They (South Africans) then simply concluded that CPI at the Hague has his own game that they should not enter at all sir/madam. This is very right: if you cannot punish correctly and with equity, let it go away!
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:59:28 +0000
From: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SV: SV: {UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at large
Ingram Kampe,
Thank you for asking. I strongly believe it should have. South Africa is a signatory of the ICC and accordingly should have acted in the interest of the ICC they formed that is mandated to make leaders accountable for their actions on human rights. According to the Sudanese foreign ministry, their government is displeased with ICC and international community for exaggerating the number of people killed in Darfur; from 10,000 they killed to 300,000! Now comrade, the Sudanese government acknowledges that they committed atrocities which ICC has investigated to be true, so why shouldn't Bashir be arrested?
Without putting words in your mouth, possibly SA couldn't arrest Bashir because it equally has a bad human rights record. Not long ago, the South Africans killed innocent immigrants with full knowledge of their powerful leaders, so you might be right about SA. One other thing, as a member of African Union (AU) a club of many African dictators, it is unlikely that they could have arrested their own good member like saying "Blood is thicker than water!"
Peter Simon
From: 'Ingram Kampe' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: SV: SV: {UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at large
Peter Simon-really-you think SA should have arrested Bashir? Discuss.--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/16/15, 'Simon Okurut' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: SV: SV: {UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at large
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Received: Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 10:55 AM
Ndugu
Ocaya,
I think we should
focus on the issue at hand by asking ourselves whether
African dictators are being targeted or they are simply many
committing the crimes they are accused of. Killing whether
by African or western leaders is bad but killing the very
people you are supposed to protect is extremely worse.
Imagine what the Sudan says, that the western world is
exaggerating the number of Darfurians killed, that it is
300, 000 but only 10,000 people that they know they killed.
So, for Sudan, 10,000 people killed is nothing to worry
about, like saying the western countries must be crazy to
worry about the death of ten thousand.
The guy shouldn't have been released but
there you are, your friend Zuma released him, because like
Ocaya says, the west should not target African leaders!
Peter Simon
On Tue, 6/16/15, 'Ocaya
Mike pOcure' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
<ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>
wrote:
Subject: SV: SV:
{UAH} Bashir sneaks out of S. Africa to remain a fugitive at
large
To: "ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com"
<ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>
Received: Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 11:45 AM
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