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Le 10 nov. 2015 à 10:28, "Martin Bangamwabo mbangamwabo@yahoo.fr [fondationbanyarwanda]" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr> a écrit :
Mr Ibukabose,iri kosa mukoze vous etes loin d'en saisir la portée."Ibya Hima - Bantu ni ibintu bitamaze igihe kirekire mwa Kagame kuko mubihe bishize ..." ( Ibukabose)Mr Ibukabose,
ibi mwemeje c'est juste votre conviction. C'est tout.
Vous imaginez, pour un sujet aussi important, qui concerne plusieurs millions de personnes et plusieurs pays, qui a déjà emporté millioni zigeze ku munani z'abantu,
mukagira une conviction pareil en moins de 5 minutes ( peut-être même pas).
Iki gitekerezo, cya Hima-bantu nacyumvise bwa mbere mu myaka ya 89 i Kigali, kandi sinkora porotiki.
Kiza kujya ahagaragara cyane mu gitabo cy'umugabo uba mu bubiligi witwa Noheli. Sinagisomye ariko il semblerait que yanditsemo ibintu yerekana na za sources de ses dires.
None mwebwe Ibuka bose, muje muvuga ngo si byo nta na sources na ntoya de vos affirmations!!
Et pourtant vous avez la réputation d'être l'un des meilleurs d'entre nous.
Turajyaha??
De : "Mem memajp2000@yahoo.fr [fondationbanyarwanda]" <fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr>
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Objet : [fondationbanyarwanda] Re: [ibukabose] Ibya Hima Bantu nta shingiro:Re: Réf.: *DHR* Intambara ya rurangiza yateguriwe mu Rwanda kuva muri 2013 iragabwa ku Burundi muri uku kwezi k'Ugushyingo 2015 (11/2015)Le 8 nov. 2015 à 21:51, "Mem memajp2000@yahoo.fr [ibukabose]" <ibukabose@yahoogroupes.fr> a écrit :Ibya Hima - Bantu ni ibintu bitamaze igihe kirekire mwa Kagame kuko mubihe bishize atigeze yumvikana n'abatutsi b'i Burundi bikaba byaranatumye Cndd FDD yoroherwa no gufata ubutegetsi. Abatutsi b' i Burundi batabaje Kagame na Museveni babatera utwatsi kuburyo iyo Hima contre Bantu biba ari réalité ntabwo abatutsi b'i Burundi baba baratakaje ubutegetsi.Le 08/11/2015No muri Congo sicyo Kagame yashyize imbere kuko iyo agishyira imbere aba yarakoze igihugu cy'abatutsi muri Congo mugice cya Kivu kandi yari abifitiye ubushobozi.Hima-Bantu ntabwo ari réalité muri FPR. Kagame akora intambara kenshi na kenshi atazi n'icyo azazimarisha nk'uko yafashe Congo akabura icyo ayimarisha.Hima -Bantu ni intambara y'abazungu bashaka kubona uburyo barwanya benewabo mu karere bafite abo bihisha inyuma.Ibya Hima contre Bantu bishobora kuzaba ikibazo mubihe bizaza kuko birimo bihemberwa kungufu ariko ntabwo ari ikibazo muri ibi bihe no mubihe bishize.Kagame arashaka intambara aho yaturuka hose kuko gutegekana intambara bimworohereza guhonyora no kwirengagiza ibibazo byo mugihugu.Ibya Hima contre Bantu nta shingiro rinini bifite biracyari ibinyabasazi.Kubishyira imbere ni ukuba utazi neza FPR n'ibibazo by'akarere.Icyo bamwe batazi nuko nouvelle génération y'abategetsi bariho mukarere ikeneye udutambara duto cyangwa za tensions zikaze zihoraho kugirango babone uko bashobora ibibazo biri imbere mugihugu.Ibya Hima Tutsi rero ntashingiro rinini bifite kuko za groupes banashyira muri Hima cyangwa Bantu nta contacts zifitanye ndetse nta n'ubumwe budasanzwe zifitanye kuburyo bwazifasha kubishingiraho bakora intambara.Hima Tutsi abayikoresha hamwe n'abagwa mumutego wo kubona ibintu gutyo, basubire mubushakatsi neza kuko atari ryo shingiro ry'ibibazo biri mukarere.Mugema-----------------
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>↓ Laisser un commentaireMutwihanganire kuba twaratinze kubagezaho iyi nyandiko abenshi muri mwe badutangarije kenshi ko bayitegerezanye amatsiko menshi. Impamvu yo gutinda nta yindi rero ni uko mu gahugu k'ikinamico buri gihe bucya bucyana ayandi; ni ukuvuga ko igihe cyose twabaga tugiye kubageza ho iyi nyandiko, hari andi makuru mashya twungukaga bikaba ngombwa ko nayo tuyashyiramo.Kagame Pawulo agura ibi bisasu, abibazaga icyo azabikoresha bagiye kukibona
>muri uku kwezi k'Ugushyingo 2015Mbere yo kubatangariza icyo amatohoza yacu yagezeho, tunejejwe no kubagezaho bumwe mu buryo bwakoreshejwe kugirango tubone aya makuru musoma hasi aha. Mu rwego rwo kugirango tumenye niba koko hari ingabo ziteguye gutera u Burundi ziturutse mu Rwanda cyangwa niba hari FDLR ibarizwa i Burundi, twaganiriye n'abatutsi 5 n'abahutu 5 muri buri gihugu muri ibi byombi tuvuze hejuru. Twasuye kandi Kisoro muri Uganda aho Radio Kisoro ikorera, iyi radiyo ikaba ariyo Inkotanyi zakoreshaga mu ntambara zagabyeho u Rwanda kuva muri 1990 kugeza muri 1994, muramenya impamvu twasuye aha hantu.Ahandi twasuye ndetse tukaganira n'abaturage baho ni muri Uvira mu Burasirazuba bwa Repubulika iharanira Demokarasi ya Congo, muramenya impamvu y'uru ruzinduko. Twagerageje kandi no gutemberera umujyi wa Kigoma uherereye ku kiyaga cya Tanganyika , ni ukuvuga mu Burengerazuba bwa Tanzania. Hari andi makuru twagiye dukura mu nzego
z'iperereza za bimwe mu bihugu biri buvugwe muri iyi nyandiko, ariko yo ntitubabwira uko twayabonye kubera umutekano w'abayatanze. Hasi aha rero turabagezaho ibyo twagezeho mu magambo avunaguye.Intambara ya rurangiza yateguriwe mu Rwanda kuva muri 2013 iragabwa ku Burundi muri uku kwezi k'Ugushyingo 2015.Amakuru twakuye mu nzego z'ubutasi za Pawulo Kagame ni avuga ko imyiteguro yo kugaba igitero ku Burundi yarangiye; ubwo twahabwaga aya makuru, hari mu cyumweru cya mbere cy'ukwezi gushize kwa cumi. Nyuma y'ibyumweru bitatu duhawe aya makuru, Pawulo Kagame yahinduye ubuyobozi bw'ingabo ze ku buryo butunguranye, hari kuri 28/10/2015; ibi bikaba bishimangira koko ko amakuru twari twahawe yari yo kuko buri gihe uyu mugabo iyo agiye kugaba ibitero hanze y'u Rwanda ahindagura ubuyobozi bw'igisoda cye ku buryo butunguranye. Ikindi twabashije kumenya kijyanye n'iyi ntambara ni uko hari abatutsi bahoze muri UPRONA no mu ngabo z'u
Burundi bari muri uyu mugambi nkuko inyandiko ya Mbangurunuka Paul yabibagejejeho muri 2013, bakaba barafatanyije na Kagame n'igisoda cye kwirenza Lt Jenerali Adolufe (Adolphe) Nshimirimana kuri 2/8/2015 bagahusha Umugaba mukuru w'ingabo z'i Burundi Pirime ( Prime) Niyongabo kuri 11/9/2015. Amakuru twashoboye gukura mu nzego z'ubutasi z'u Burundi yemeza koko ko abarashe kuri aba bagabo bombi tuvuze hejuru bari Abatutsi bari mu gisirikare cy'u Burundi ku bufatanye bw'ubutasi bw'u Rwanda n'ubugambanyi bw'abarundi bari i Kigali. Mu Burundi baryamiye amajanjaAmatohoza kandi twakomereje i Burundi yatweretse ko mu Burundi bazi iby'iki gitero cyo muri uku kwezi k'Ugushyingo 2015. Umwe mu bategetsi bo hejuru wavuganye na Shikama ariko tukaba tudatangaza amazina ye cyangwa urwego rwe mu buyobozi kubera umutekano we, yadutangarije ko iby'iyi ntambara babizi kandi bakaba babikurikirana amanywa n'ijoro. Uyu mutegetsi kandi
yashimangiye ko iyi ntambara Abarundi bazayitsinda nta kabuza kuko abaturage babari inyuma.« Hewe mushingantahe, iyi ntambara tuzoyirwana kandi tuzoyitsinda kuko dushigikiwe n'abene gihugu, abo bamenja bareke baze, tuzi ko ata mwene gihugu ubari inyuma yaba kuri bo canke ababashigikiye»Nkuko uyu muyobozi yabitangarije Shikama, twamenye koko ko hageragejwe kenshi kwigarurira ibice bimwe bihana imbibe n'u Rwanda ariko abaturage babera ibamba bene kugerageza ubwo bubisha. Ibi byatumye higwa andi mayeri yo kwibanda ku bice bimwe by'umujyi wa Bujumbura bituwe n'Abatutsi. Ariko twamenye ko hari n'undi mupango wo kwigarurira Bujumbura y'icyaro mu Burundi bita Bujumbura Rirale ( Rurale)Imbeba irya umuhini yototera isuka: ikigamijwe si ukwigarurira u Burundi, ni ukwigarura Uburengerazuba bwa Tanzania no gutsemba burundu FDLR n'impunzi z'Abahutu irinze, Bujumbura ikaba ishakwaho iteme ( base arrière)Bamwe mu baturage baganiriye na Shikama
mu mujyi wa Uvira uherereye mu burasirazuba bwa Repubulika iharanira Demokarasi ya Congo, yemeza ko muri aka kavuyo kose Kagame ariho ateza i Burundi, ikigamijwe atari ugukuraho Petero Nkurunziza gusa kuko ngo niyo Nkurunziza aba adahari Kagame yagombaga gukora uko ashoboye ngo atere RDCongo aciye Uvira yigarurire n'uburengerazuba bwa Tanzania aciye Bujumbura akambukira Kigoma muri Tanzania.Twababajije impamvu bakeka zituma uyu mugabo yatera muri Tanzania na RDCongo baratubwira bati:Ikarita yerekana RDCongo na bimwe mu bihugu byo mu karere iherereyemo
>( Kanda ku ikarita uyigire nini)- Muri TanzaniaTanzania niyo yahumuye amahanga ku migambi mibisha ya FPR yo kwigarurira akarere n'Afrika y'ubumanuko ngo hakorwe icyo bise ubwami-nyabami Hima-Tutsi.Tanzania yahise ibona ibindi bihugu by'Afrika biyifasha kuburizamo uyu mugambi, aha twavuga nka Afrika y'Epfo na Malawi bohereje ingabo, ariko hari n'ibindi bihugu bitohereje ingabo ariko biri inyuma ya Tanzania aha tukaba twavuga nka Angola, Zimbabwe na Zambia.Tanzania yasabye ko Pawulo Kagame agirana ibiganiro na FDLR nkuko Habyarimana Yuvenali yabigiranye na FPR muri 1993, Kagame abifata nk'icyaha cya Sakirilego!Tanzania niyo yatumye ingabo za Kagame Pawulo zari zihishe mucyo bitaga M23 zitsindwa.Tanzania niyo yumvishije amahanga kutarasa ku mpunzi 350,000 z'Abahutu ziri mu mashyamba ya RDCongo Kagame Pawulo yita FDLR- Muri RDCongoKu ikubitiro, ibitero bya Kagame amaze kwigarurira Bujumbura, azambuka aze Uvira, maze akomeze mpaka
ageze i Kinshasa ashyireho Leta ashaka nkuko yabikoze muri 1996. Ibi byo gutera RDCongo bizitwa ko ariho ahashya burundu FDLR amahanga yananiwe, ariko muby'ukuri ikizaba kigamijwe ni ukongera kwifatira RDCongo agasahura amabuye y'agaciro naho FDLR azi ko atayishobora kuko ni inshuro nyinshi yagerageje kuyitsemba kuva muri 1996 afatanyije n'imitwe y'inyeshyemba irenga 52, ingabo za RDCongo cyangwa iza LONI bikamunanira.Kagame Pawulo azi ko iki ari igihe cyiza kuko akavuyo Kabange Kanambe wiyise Joseph Kabila ariho atera muri RDCongo muri ibi bihe amatora yegereje, abakongomani benshi barangariye aya matora, bikaba byoroshye ko umwanzi wese yabacengera akabagwa gitumo.Muri Tanzania, abaturage ntibazi ko bazagabwaho ibitero ariko abategetsi bararikanuyeMu gihe Shikama yari mu mujyi wa Kigoma uherereye ku kiyaga cya Tanganyika mu burengerazuba bwa Tanzania, twasanze abaturage nta yindi mbyino batera atari « Uchaguzi »ni ukuvuga amatora mu
kinyarwanda. Bamwe twaganiriye ku bibazo biri mu karere, batubwiye ko ikibazo cy'i Burundi gihangayikishije cyane. Twabajije abaturage impamvu bakeka zaba zikurura iki kibazo, bamwe batubwiye ko ari Nkurunziza Petero ushaka kugundira ubutegetsi, abandi bagasubiza ko byose biterwa na Pawulo Kagame w'u Rwanda.Umunyamakuru wacu uri muri aka gace ka Tanzania kandi yatubwiye ko hari amakuru yahawe na bamwe bakorera inzego z'ubutasi za Tanzania yamubwiraga ko hari abakozi bo mu iperereza rya Amerika, CIA ( soma Seyiya) bageze muri iki gihugu kuva hakwaduka iturika ry'amagerenade muri 2013 yahitanye abantu benshi; aba bakozi ngo bakaba bagerageza kumenya isoko y'aya mabi.Umunyamakuru wacu yadutangarije ko nubwo abaturage ntacyo bazi ku migambi ya Pawulo Kagame yo gutera mu Kagera, abategetsi bo baryamiye amajanja. Uku kutirara kukaba guterwa n'amagambo ngo Kagame yavuze muri 2013 ubwo Perezida Jakaya Kikwete yamusabaga kuganira na FDLR; nanone
kandi ngo mu matora ya Perezida aheruka muri iki gihugu yatsinzwe na Perezida John Pombe Magufuri ubu uyobora Tanzania, Kagame ngo yari yashyize ibifranga byinshi muri aya matora kugirango umukandida we Edward Lowasa atorwe ariko ntibyamuhiriye.Abategetsi ba Tanzania bakaba bazi ko ngo Kagame Pawulo ashobora kwifashisha abari bashyigikiye Lowasa batishimiye itsindwa rye, maze bagafatanya guhungabanya umutekano w'iki gihugu. Ibi kandi birashoboka kuko Edward Lowasa yatangaje ko ariwe watsinze amatora akaba ariwe Perezida wemewe w'igihugu cya Tanzania. Ikindi cyerekana ko hari umugambi mubisha wo gushinga umutwe w'inyeshyamba muri aka gace, ni amagambo itangazamakuru rya Kagame ryavuze ko Lowasa yavuze atandukanye n'ayo uyu Lowasa ubwe yari yibwiriye BBC.Iyi radiyo mpuzamahanga y'Abongereza im
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