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Thursday, 6 December 2018

[haguruka] RE: Nouvelle Conference du Dr Charles Onana

 

Muvandimwe Rugura, mhore rwose. Turabizi homo homini lupus! Kandi imbyeyi ntiyanga kulisha iruhande rwaho bali kubagira ikimasa cyayo, iyo aliho bayiragiye! Ibi nibyo umusaza wawe yahuye nabyo, akizibukira ibyagwiliye M. Rwagasana. Icyo gihe twe abatubyaye baliho biyondora ibikomere by'ubuhake n'uburetwa, bavuga ngo ntibizongere ukundi. Ese aho ntibibeshyaga, ko turuzi induru yarongeye kuba ndende nubu,  ngo hateye icyorezo cy'ubwoba n'amategeko yali yarabuze?

Uzi ko twali tweretswe, twandika 1989: yali felix culpa, uko twibwira ko twibeshye tubara!
Buliya rero, haliya mwali mwajyanwe muli stade, ni bimwe bigwilira inyarurembo, naho abali mu byaro twali twilyamiye. Mbese ni nka za mbeba ebyili, imwe yo mu rugo ibaho neza aliko igomba gukenguza n'imwe yibera mu bigunda ilya bibi yiyushye akuya.
Twunva ko wabaye MRND ugihabwa pasipoti y'Urwanda, ubwo kandi wahise winjira mu matiku n'ubucakura bwarwo. Ese uzi ko na ba Nyiramutarambirwa ndetse na G. Kayibanda bapfuye, kandi ubwo bali MRND, par definition?

Nangwa nawe wabonye akazi haliya mu mujyi mukuru Kigali, bituma ubona abagutambukije Izamarere zegereje. Kota we yali yaraciliwe mu misozi miremimire, bamubwira ngo niba azi ubwenge nagende abanze asilimure ibyiyo misozi;  uwe wali dactylographe baramwirukana, ajya kwicara mu rugo! Etc. 
Ntamahirwe rero yagize yo kuruvamwo, izamarere zarumusenyeho zifatanije n'interahamwe,  we n'umulyango babuze ubaterura. Kota baje kumuhiga basanga inzu yayivuyemwo, barayisenya:  ubu aho yali ili hubatswe indi. Imana icyokora ntirenganya,  ubu aracyasunika iminsi aho yamuciliye akanzu. Abe close 19 batagize amahirwe, Inkotanyi zarabirengeje, kirazira kubalira. Reka turekere aho, ejo abambaye-amayugi batazabikoresha bashaka kugabirwa byinshi. Buyoya we mwihorere, buliya nawe abona ali nk'imhanga ya Yezu, zimwe zitanga ubutabera bw'abantu aliko zo butazireba! 

Muvandimwe Ndacyayisenga, wenda uzajye muli penetensiya ikomoka kwa Papa; aliko ntuzagane Gacaca ya Mukantaganzwa, ikoresha imhumyi n'amayida igafungira abanyabyaha nyabo hamwe n'abere bagerekerwa n'abo bakijije, ikimakaza ironda (discrimination) mu butabera bwayo, uretse ko ali umwera uturuka ibukuru! 
Ngayo, nguko. 
 

De : Vincent Ndacyayisenga <rugura@yahoo.com>
Envoyé : jeudi 6 décembre 2018 12:15
À : Zac Biampa; Skweli; haguruka@yahoogroups.com; liza.kez@yahoo.com; kota venant
Cc : Aimable Rwamucyo; Nzinink; Michel Niyibizi; Brenden Russo; John Kagabo; Francois Munyabagisha; Lyar66; Pierre Foucher; Martin Bangamwabo; Tharcisse Semana; felixhabimana@yahoo.fr; MULINDAHABI Jean-Claude; Nsengiyumva Celestin; rudahi@hotmail.com; Mbaga Tuzinde; Ernest Mudage; Marie Madeleine BICAMUMPAKA; Twagirayezu Deo; Rudahi20
Objet : Re: Nouvelle Conference du Dr Charles Onana
 
Kota,

Oya s'iwacu gusa, n'umwana w'imana yahungiye mu misiri, naho data ntiyagiye iburundi gusaba ruseke ya reserve, hanze kwongera gucumbikirwa muli 1930, si UNAR, si PARMEHUTU, reka MERENDE yo, les camarades du 5 Juillet bali bakili sur les bancs de l'école!, oya ntiyali muli babandi ngo "banze gutegekwa n'abahutu", na perezida Kayibanda bali baziranye yaramubwiye ngo agaruke azasubizwa mubye, ati ntahe njyenyine ntarahunze njyenyine? iyo agaruka ntabwo mugenzi we Michel Rwagasana yali kumusiga, uti se Rwagasana we yazize nde? numvise bavuga ngo yaba yarazize major Turpin, atumwe nande?

Mes 14 mois zatangiye le 29 Aout 1989 zirangira le 16 Octobre 1990 (icyo gihe ibyitso byali byageze muli stade), aliko kubera ko tout Rwandais de plein droit était de facto MERENDIEN sinzi niba narabaye wi igihe naherewe pasipoti, cyangwa igihe naboneye irangamuntu, aliko même à ce moment là ubanza nali déséquilibré kuko aho natonze bambwiraga ko le seuil d'équilibre yarenze, umukoresha umwe a forcé la balance abwira abayicungaga ko c'était dans leur interet (financier) kumpa akazi, kuko izo interets zali zikeneye ubukolikoli bwanjye, aliko izamarere zitandalitse zararutashye amabinga ndayegeranya, amaguru nyambika amababa niyizira ibweramasimbi (28 ans après j'y suis toujours, nanjye rero nabaye nka wa mwami wa Ndahimana wabisikanye n'umuzungu, aliko njyewe nta cause à effet hagazi yo kuza kw'inkotanyi no kugenda kwanjye, umugambi (ou l'occasion s'était présenté plus tot (peu après le départ du pape.....nibirebire, reka ncumbikire aha, ndabona vuvuwama yabyaye ntera rukomatanya, ntava aho mpabwa penetensiya n'umuru w'inama, kandi njyewe nifuzaga dialogue nka yayindi padiri Massion yaturaze, buliya bwinshi nabonye na Petero Buyoya yabuvumbye Yezu, reka twibere abatighayubuke niba wumva ko dukeneye gukomeza kuganira!
Ubwo nawe uzancira ku mayange uko ukirana n'iminsi, ntava aho nibwira ko nirondora, ndimuli penetensiya, cyangwa nahuye na gacaca, n'ubwo nanjye binyibutsa ko ntali akababi gahuhwa n'umuyaga.

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018, 9:16:26 a.m. EST, kota venant <kotakori@hotmail.com> wrote:


Nibyo yewe muvandimwe Rugura, iby'iwacu ni agaterayanzamba, aho abantu bakesha ubuzima guhungira hanze, mu isi yose. Pole sana kuba So yaragiye gusaba uburundi, aliko se yabitewe na UNAR, MDR parmehutu cyangwa se iliya MURENDE? None se iyi 14 mois au pays yawe yaba ihera muli mai 1989, cyangwa ihera mbere aliko mwe mwarebye kure muhita mwisubilira Iburundi/hanze? Tujijure maze twongere experience kuli iyi MRND parti unique tuganiraho!

Naho "vuvuwama" igutangaza, twe ntitwunva ikibazo ufite. Wali wabona se umuntu usanzwe ubaho ku giti cye agakora wenyine maze bikagenda sawa? Ntabwo tuli imhanga ya Yezu, imwe ishobora kurwana ikanubaka igihugu yonyine, ubwo "vuvuwama" ikaba yayikoresha yishyira mu bwinshi!
 

De : Vincent Ndacyayisenga <rugura@yahoo.com>
Envoyé : mercredi 5 décembre 2018 11:22
À : Zac Biampa; Skweli; haguruka@yahoogroups.com; liza.kez@yahoo.com; kota venant
Cc : Aimable Rwamucyo; Nzinink; Michel Niyibizi; Brenden Russo; John Kagabo; Francois Munyabagisha; Lyar66; Pierre Foucher; Martin Bangamwabo; Tharcisse Semana; felixhabimana@yahoo.fr; MULINDAHABI Jean-Claude; Nsengiyumva Celestin; rudahi@hotmail.com; Mbaga Tuzinde; Ernest Mudage; Marie Madeleine BICAMUMPAKA; Twagirayezu Deo; Rudahi20
Objet : Re: Nouvelle Conference du Dr Charles Onana
 
Yewe Kota we,

Ntunshimire nta ruhare nabigizemo, mu mateka y'urwanda nzajya kuli liste ya ba "P.I. (parfaits inconnus, mais pas incognitos), ngo "L'experience ce n'est pas ce qui nous arrive, c'est ce que nous en faisons", ....et rien faire c'est la conserver, Fier Homme Sans Expérience (F.H.S.E.) ...data yagiye gusaba uburundi (ubwo yali ahagazeho aliko atabuvuyeho), aganira n'umugiraneza wali wamuhaye lift aramubwira ati nibabumpa nzasaba ko bampitirama mu mazina y'ibikomerezwa by'icyo gihe, Simbagoye, Simbananiye, Simbavimbere, barrabumuhaye, abumarana irenze 20, harageze arabubasubiza agaruka mu rwa Gasabo yali yaherukagamo muli 1930 (icyo gihe baje kumushaka ngo bamusubizemo, basanga atali inkware, yambutse akanyaru, nanjye rero ibigwi byanjye muli MERENDE si birebire (14 mois au pays, et autant mu mahanga) urabona ko kwitwa milita bitambayeho igihe kirekire, kubiba byo byanze gufata kuko ntabishishikaliye (nasanze revolusiyo yarahinduye imirishyo yibagirwa gukanishiliza abakaraza!). ubona ba Gilets jaunes ba opozisiyo babugezeho batwambika iyihe mitamana? 
Kutaba uwo kwa Sindikubwabo byo uhumure, n'abo yali akuliye (dans la plus brève des républiques Rwandaises) siko bose bamugiye inyuma (j'ai l'agréable en même temps amère surprise de m'en rendre compte petit à petit, icyakora ntibigoye kuko nabonye n'amateka y'abadasubilinyuma nayabayemo, umutware w'iziyemeje kuba ingenzi nkaba narabonaga uko yitwara mu bwa ba Simbagoye (Simbagoye yali notable (sinibuka title ye muli mairie ya Bujumbura) .

Yewe, reka ncumbikire aha, aliko mbere yo kwikebanura nagusaba kumbwira icyo "vuvuwama" unyuza mu kiganiro cyawe isobanura? ni wowe wishyira mu bwinshi? cyangwa se washyizemo n'abasangirarugendo?

Irya Semakweli ryarafashwe, reka nsinye Kinwa ya Mzee.

N'akagaruka.

P.S. Kubireba ibiganiro bya Charles Onana, je n'ai en aucune maniere les capacités de faire le procès du prophète, je garde donc mes doutes pour moi, les injustices dans le passé ne justifient pas celles du présent, aucune injustice n'est légitime, encore moi justifiable.








On Tuesday, December 4, 2018, 8:52:23 a.m. EST, kota venant <kotakori@hotmail.com> wrote:


Muvandimwe Rugura, turagushimye cyane, rwose ntuzigere wemera nalimwe kwambara ayo manyagwa y'amayugi, uzakomeze wange gushorekwa/ gushyirwa ku kiziliko. Ni byiza kandi ko ucyibuka neza ibya la Fontaine, bifasha kwizibukira amanyanga y'ingoma na Rubanda!
Komeza kandi usuzume ibya C. Onanana, niwabona aho yatubiye uzatubwire by'imvaho.
Naho ibyo kwa Sindikubwabo ntaho twahulira nabyo, kuko tutali abo iwabo, ntitube twarabaye muli  administration ye (kuva kuli mudugudu/cellule kugera kuli minista) cyangwa se mu ishyaka lye.
Ni ngombwa aliko ko tukwibutsa ko wowe (mwebwe), natwe, nawe (nabo) twali kumwe muli MRND-parti etat, imwe yafunze imilyango end June 1991!
Komera.




De : Vincent Ndacyayisenga <rugura@yahoo.com>
Envoyé : mardi 4 décembre 2018 11:19
À : Zac Biampa; Skweli; haguruka@yahoogroups.com; liza.kez@yahoo.com; kota venant
Cc : Aimable Rwamucyo; Nzinink; Michel Niyibizi; Brenden Russo; John Kagabo; Francois Munyabagisha; Lyar66; Pierre Foucher; Martin Bangamwabo; Tharcisse Semana; felixhabimana@yahoo.fr; MULINDAHABI Jean-Claude; Nsengiyumva Celestin; rudahi@hotmail.com; Mbaga Tuzinde; Ernest Mudage; Marie Madeleine BICAMUMPAKA; Twagirayezu Deo; Rudahi20
Objet : Re: Nouvelle Conference du Dr Charles Onana
 
Bwana Kota,

Nakomeje kwibaza rya hitishamo watumye Zac (Emmanuel Neretse) ngo angezeho, hanyuma n'amagambo twahererekanije, ibyo kwa Lafontaine nti byali ibyo kumbwiliza (nabyigishilijwe limwe na base ba bamwe kuli uru rubuga, ali nako uko ubwenge bwigiraga imbere bwakuranaga nabyo, ko byaba bikili d'actualité s'igitangaza, nubwo benshi bambalira mu bambaye amayugi bararabonye aho nyambalira (uretse nyine abo nsagalira kuli izi mbuga babuze ahandi batura agahinda kabo), 
Oya rwose nta mujinya natuye Charles Onana, ahubwo mukanya nabonye iyindi conférence ye, yashubije bimwe mubyo nibazaga muli yayindi wavugaga ko indenze, nayigiyemo "syndrome du voleur", nayumviyemo ko yafashe mu mugongo umupfakazi wa Dr Felix Moumié (wasimbuye Um N'yobe ) warwaniye kubohoza igihucu cyabo cya Cameroun, uwo Felix Moumié yanyweshejwe bya binyobwa byitilirwa général Dan Munyuza, kandi nali nsanzwe mubaza (ntumye mugenzi wacu Zac Biampa) aliko ibyo yavuze muli iyi conférence bwali ubwambere mbimwumvana, n'ubwo atali njye yasubizaga, iby'uko nta muhanuzi iwabo ndacyabimubonamo.
Iby'urusyo nabyo sinumvise aho wabiteruliye, waba se wali mubo Sindikubwabo yashishikalizaga kugira umurava? ali ibyo navuga nti reka iya Lafontaine tuyisubiremo, wibere akanyamasyo kifitiye urwako kagendana, nanjye unshakire inyeshyamba unyitilira (cyangwa se n'iyo mu za Gilbert Cesbron zabuliwe ikidali).

Nisobamuye nk'uwumvaga washatse kumusobanya, niba atalibyo wali ugambiliye utuma Zac, n'ubuhoro nta mujinya, nta n'umwikomo ngufitiye, ntawe nzagerekaho urusyo ku rundi (twese turazifite) n'aganyamasyo ngo nti "gasonga imbere" kadakuye umutwe munsi y'urusyo rwako, dukomeze rero twibengeteranire insyo zacu, kuziturana nibitunanira twe kuzashaka kuzitura abandi ntabwo ali "one size fit all" ou "pret à porter", n'abadoda za jenosiyidi bibagiwe ko atali nka cya kizibaho cya Yezu yakuliraga mo.

Tuli kumwe (dukote ubuzima ntibudukote).

On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:10:44 a.m. EST, kota venant <kotakori@hotmail.com> wrote:


Kijyana Liza, have wiyombera umuvandimwe, ngo nuko aganira na Mbaga. Mureke wimusumbuwa.
Gusa twakubwira ko iyo hali agira ati "...alikose muli make navuze wasnze conférence ya Onana ntacyo nakuyemo?" biba byabazwaga Kota, tuba twamusubije ko tutarabimenya, kuko ataraduha report y'ibyo yaganiliye na C. Onana yatubwiye ko agiye gushaka. Twe kirazira, ntituraguza ifuro!

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De : liza.kez@yahoo.com <liza.kez@yahoo.com>
Envoyé : dimanche 2 décembre 2018 00:46
À : rugura@yahoo.com; Zac Biampa; Skweli; haguruka@yahoogroups.com; kota venant
Cc : Chantal Karara; Agnesmurebwayire; Aimable Rwamucyo; Nzinink; Michel Niyibizi; Christophe Tuvugishukuri; Brenden Russo; John Kagabo; Francois Munyabagisha; MUSABYIMANA JEAN DE DIEU; Sibomana Jean Bosco; Innocent Twagiramungu; Lyar66; Pierre Foucher; Martin Bangamwabo; Agaculama Mu Ikibunda; Senga Emmanuel; Tharcisse Semana; felixhabimana@yahoo.fr; MULINDAHABI Jean-Claude; Nsengiyumva Celestin; rudahi@hotmail.com; Mbaga Tuzinde; Ernest Mudage; Marie Madeleine BICAMUMPAKA; Twagirayezu Deo; Theodore Mpatswenumugabo; Ndagijimana Jean-Marie; Shankuru Maurice; Filip Reyntjens; itwagira71@hotmail.com; UDAHEMUKA Eric; Rudahi20; Nsengabe
Objet : Re: Nouvelle Conference du Dr Charles Onana
 
Ntabwo ari Mbaga ni Kota!


On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 at 6:40 PM, Vincent Ndacyayisenga
<rugura@yahoo.com> wrote:
Muvandimwe Mbaga,

Erega no kwomora biratoneka,kimwe n'ukuri kurumika,kutali ugushilira mu biganiro,  kandi na birenge ubwira abandi atibwiye ntahoaba ahagaze,erega burya wagiraga inama Zac njye mutuma ,alikose muli make navuze wasnze conférence ya Onana ntacyo nakuyemo?

Ngaho weekend nziza.

On Saturday, December 1, 2018, 6:40:54 a.m. EST, kota venant <kotakori@hotmail.com> wrote:


Bwana Rugura, kuki ushaka kutugerekaho urusyo, uduhohotera nk'umwe bateye igofi ngo aratukanye, ali uko asuhuje undi amwita bwana, bikitwa ko amwise inyana ya lya tungo! Koko bigere aho tubaho nka kumwe kw'ahali abacitse intoki, umuntu abuza amaraso gutembera mu intoki aliho yilinda kurambura ibiganza! 
Gusa turagushimiye, muvandimwe Ndacyayisenga,  kuko uhise udutura urusyo washakaga kutwikoreza, uvuga ko uzajya kwibaliza C. Onana, waguteye umujinya wivura ujya mubyo abo kwa Sindikubwabo ubu bageze kuli Nkurunziza, mubyo abo kwa Mitterand ubu twatije LM n'ibya actualite ya Cameroun ubu nayo iliho irwana! Ibi byose birakwereka ukuntu Fable ya la Fontaine yo yerekana ibiliho, itagize uwo itera umutima n'ishavu (souffrance psychologique), muli make uwo isumbuwa.
Bulya ukuli kuralyana, aliko hali uko kuvugwa naho kuvugirwa ntibibabaze!



De : Vincent Ndacyayisenga <rugura@yahoo.com>
Envoyé : vendredi 30 novembre 2018 19:39
À : Zac Biampa; Skweli; haguruka@yahoogroups.com; kota venant
Cc : Liza Keza; Chantal Karara; Agnesmurebwayire; Aimable Rwamucyo; Nzinink; Michel Niyibizi; Christophe Tuvugishukuri; Brenden Russo; John Kagabo; Francois Munyabagisha; MUSABYIMANA JEAN DE DIEU; Sibomana Jean Bosco; Innocent Twagiramungu; Lyar66; Pierre Foucher; Martin Bangamwabo; Agaculama Mu Ikibunda; Senga Emmanuel; Tharcisse Semana; felixhabimana@yahoo.fr; MULINDAHABI Jean-Claude; Nsengiyumva Celestin; rudahi@hotmail.com; Mbaga Tuzinde; Ernest Mudage; Marie Madeleine BICAMUMPAKA; Twagirayezu Deo; Theodore Mpatswenumugabo; Ndagijimana Jean-Marie; Shankuru Maurice; Filip Reyntjens; itwagira71@hotmail.com; UDAHEMUKA Eric; Rudahi20; Nsengabe
Objet : Re: Nouvelle Conference du Dr Charles Onana
 
Kota we,

Uti inyandiko za Dr Onana zirandenze?merci pour l'evaluation, ko mbaye agasamunyiga,wowe se ubaye inkware ngo tujye kuli rwa Rutare? Singutuma kuli Onana nzamwibaliza,aliko n'untanga uzamumbalize ukuntu muli iliya analyse ye "scientifique" avuga intabaza ya Sindikubwabo, ntavuge ubukangurambaga bwe, acyaha abanyabutare? kuki atavuga ukundi ubufaransa bujya kwizilika akagozi ku kuguru, ukuntu Mitterand "chef des armées yafashe icyemezo cyo gutabara Habyalimana, ntagire icyo abwira son ministre de la défense J.P.Chevenement (Mitterand a-t-il perdu ses prérogatives de chef des armés avec la coahibitation?  ni etat major de l'Elysée qui a géré le dossier Rwadais, reka ndekere aha utampitiramo iyo ubushita bumereye nabi,LES LARMES DE L'HONNEUR abasilikare b'abafaransa ububalira  s'uRwanda ruyabaliza ni leta yabo, c'est une maigre consolation Onana abaha, et il beurre sa tartine au passage, uzamubaze niba son Cameroun natal idafite uwayo muzigo w'ibibazo....diréctement hérités de la colonisation (uzamubaze uti Dr Felix Moumié yaliyahuye?  
Que je sois un animal malade de la peste (nangwa nanjye nabizi, nkagira n'ababinyibutsa), sinzi aliko niba ma peste difficilement justifiable le serait moins que son parti-pris (lCamus ati "la recherche de la verite n'empeche pas de prendre parti," mais le parti-pris accouche d'une vérité poliomiélitique.(de la colonisation Allemande pour nos deux pays au protectorat francais pour le Cameroun, belge pour le Rwanda et le Burundi)

Reka Zac Biampa anyibwilire aya Onana,nimbona akanya nzamwimwibaliza connection y'iyi nkuru Ouandié Ernest - La Tribune de l'histoire - Cameroun na actualité de son Cameroun natal, 

 

Bwana Kotana, on dit que le pouvoir corrompt, et que le pouvoir absolu corrompt absolument (il est difficile pour Mr Onana de tanser un pouvoir absolu en absolvant celui tout aussi absolu qui l'a précédé (au fait, un pouvoir élu "démocratiquement ne devient-il pas absolu, le temps de son mandat?)

On Friday, November 30, 2018, 9:06:31 a.m. EST, kota venant <kotakori@hotmail.com> wrote:




Aliko bwana Zac Biampa, wambwiye umuvandimwe Rugura kwisomera  https://poesie.webnet.fr/lesgrandsclassiques/Poemes/jean_de_la_fontaine/les_animaux_malades_de_la_pesteko alibyo byoroshye kurusha iby'uyu munyafurika Onana?  Abafransa ni mubihorerere, hali icyo bishakira ubu mwe mutazi, cyabagira inshuti z'Urwanda n'iza super puissances occidentales.

De : Zac Biampa <zac.biampa@yahoo.fr>
Envoyé : vendredi 30 novembre 2018 00:25

À : Vincent Ndacyayisenga
Objet :
Nouvelle Confrerence du Dr Charles Onana
 
Rugura wiriwe,
Uzafate akanya wumve mon ami Charles Onana avuga ibya sa France na Rwanda yacu.


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[haguruka] RE: Nouvelle Conference du Dr Charles Onana

 

Correction en rouge , s.v.p., ya message ibanziliza iyi:

Nibyo yewe muvandimwe Rugura, iby'iwacu ni agaterayanzamba, aho abantu bakesha ubuzima guhungira hanze, mu isi yose. Pole sana kuba So yaragiye gusaba uburundi, aliko se yabitewe na UNAR, MDR parmehutu cyangwa se iliya MURENDE? None se iyi 14 mois au pays yawe yaba ihera muli mai 1990, cyangwa ihera mbere aliko mwe mwarebye kure muhita mwisubilira Iburundi/hanze? Tujijure maze twongere experience kuli iyi MRND parti unique tuganiraho!

Naho "vuvuwama" igutangaza, twe ntitwunva ikibazo ufite. Wali wabona se umuntu usanzwe ubaho ku giti cye agakora wenyine maze bikagenda sawa? Ntabwo tuli imhanga ya Yezu, imwe ishobora kurwana ikanubaka igihugu yonyine, ubwo "vuvuwama" ikaba yayikoresha yishyira mu bwinshi!
 


De : haguruka@yahoogroups..com <haguruka@yahoogroups.com> de la part de kota venant kotakori@hotmail.com [haguruka] <haguruka@yahoogroups.com>
Envoyé : mercredi 5 décembre 2018 15:16
À : Vincent Ndacyayisenga; Zac Biampa; Skweli; haguruka@yahoogroups.com; liza.kez@yahoo.com
Cc : Aimable Rwamucyo; Nzinink; Michel Niyibizi; Brenden Russo; John Kagabo; Francois Munyabagisha; Lyar66; Pierre Foucher; Martin Bangamwabo; Tharcisse Semana; felixhabimana@yahoo.fr; MULINDAHABI Jean-Claude; Nsengiyumva Celestin; rudahi@hotmail.com; Mbaga Tuzinde; Ernest Mudage; Marie Madeleine BICAMUMPAKA; Twagirayezu Deo; Rudahi20
Objet : [haguruka] RE: Nouvelle Conference du Dr Charles Onana
 
 

Nibyo yewe muvandimwe Rugura, iby'iwacu ni agaterayanzamba, aho abantu bakesha ubuzima guhungira hanze, mu isi yose. Pole sana kuba So yaragiye gusaba uburundi, aliko se yabitewe na UNAR, MDR parmehutu cyangwa se iliya MURENDE? None se iyi 14 mois au pays yawe yaba ihera muli mai 1989, cyangwa ihera mbere aliko mwe mwarebye kure muhita mwisubilira Iburundi/hanze? Tujijure maze twongere experience kuli iyi MRND parti unique tuganiraho!

Naho "vuvuwama" igutangaza, twe ntitwunva ikibazo ufite. Wali wabona se umuntu usanzwe ubaho ku giti cye agakora wenyine maze bikagenda sawa? Ntabwo tuli imhanga ya Yezu, imwe ishobora kurwana ikanubaka igihugu yonyine, ubwo "vuvuwama" ikaba yayikoresha yishyira mu bwinshi!
 

De : Vincent Ndacyayisenga <rugura@yahoo.com>
Envoyé : mercredi 5 décembre 2018 11:22
À : Zac Biampa; Skweli; haguruka@yahoogroups.com; liza.kez@yahoo.com; kota venant
Cc : Aimable Rwamucyo; Nzinink; Michel Niyibizi; Brenden Russo; John Kagabo; Francois Munyabagisha; Lyar66; Pierre Foucher; Martin Bangamwabo; Tharcisse Semana; felixhabimana@yahoo.fr; MULINDAHABI Jean-Claude; Nsengiyumva Celestin; rudahi@hotmail.com; Mbaga Tuzinde; Ernest Mudage; Marie Madeleine BICAMUMPAKA; Twagirayezu Deo; Rudahi20
Objet : Re: Nouvelle Conference du Dr Charles Onana
 
Yewe Kota we,

Ntunshimire nta ruhare nabigizemo, mu mateka y'urwanda nzajya kuli liste ya ba "P.I. (parfaits inconnus, mais pas incognitos), ngo "L'experience ce n'est pas ce qui nous arrive, c'est ce que nous en faisons", ....et rien faire c'est la conserver, Fier Homme Sans Expérience (F.H.S.E.) ...data yagiye gusaba uburundi (ubwo yali ahagazeho aliko atabuvuyeho), aganira n'umugiraneza wali wamuhaye lift aramubwira ati nibabumpa nzasaba ko bampitirama mu mazina y'ibikomerezwa by'icyo gihe, Simbagoye, Simbananiye, Simbavimbere, barrabumuhaye, abumarana irenze 20, harageze arabubasubiza agaruka mu rwa Gasabo yali yaherukagamo muli 1930 (icyo gihe baje kumushaka ngo bamusubizemo, basanga atali inkware, yambutse akanyaru, nanjye rero ibigwi byanjye muli MERENDE si birebire (14 mois au pays, et autant mu mahanga) urabona ko kwitwa milita bitambayeho igihe kirekire, kubiba byo byanze gufata kuko ntabishishikaliye (nasanze revolusiyo yarahinduye imirishyo yibagirwa gukanishiliza abakaraza!). ubona ba Gilets jaunes ba opozisiyo babugezeho batwambika iyihe mitamana? 
Kutaba uwo kwa Sindikubwabo byo uhumure, n'abo yali akuliye (dans la plus brève des républiques Rwandaises) siko bose bamugiye inyuma (j'ai l'agréable en même temps amère surprise de m'en rendre compte petit à petit, icyakora ntibigoye kuko nabonye n'amateka y'abadasubilinyuma nayabayemo, umutware w'iziyemeje kuba ingenzi nkaba narabonaga uko yitwara mu bwa ba Simbagoye (Simbagoye yali notable (sinibuka title ye muli mairie ya Bujumbura) .

Yewe, reka ncumbikire aha, aliko mbere yo kwikebanura nagusaba kumbwira icyo "vuvuwama" unyuza mu kiganiro cyawe isobanura? ni wowe wishyira mu bwinshi? cyangwa se washyizemo n'abasangirarugendo?

Irya Semakweli ryarafashwe, reka nsinye Kinwa ya Mzee.

N'akagaruka.

P.S. Kubireba ibiganiro bya Charles Onana, je n'ai en aucune maniere les capacités de faire le procès du prophète, je garde donc mes doutes pour moi, les injustices dans le passé ne justifient pas celles du présent, aucune injustice n'est légitime, encore moi justifiable.








On Tuesday, December 4, 2018, 8:52:23 a.m. EST, kota venant <kotakori@hotmail.com> wrote:


Muvandimwe Rugura, turagushimye cyane, rwose ntuzigere wemera nalimwe kwambara ayo manyagwa y'amayugi, uzakomeze wange gushorekwa/ gushyirwa ku kiziliko. Ni byiza kandi ko ucyibuka neza ibya la Fontaine, bifasha kwizibukira amanyanga y'ingoma na Rubanda!
Komeza kandi usuzume ibya C. Onanana, niwabona aho yatubiye uzatubwire by'imvaho.
Naho ibyo kwa Sindikubwabo ntaho twahulira nabyo, kuko tutali abo iwabo, ntitube twarabaye muli  administration ye (kuva kuli mudugudu/cellule kugera kuli minista) cyangwa se mu ishyaka lye.
Ni ngombwa aliko ko tukwibutsa ko wowe (mwebwe), natwe, nawe (nabo) twali kumwe muli MRND-parti etat, imwe yafunze imilyango end June 1991!
Komera.




De : Vincent Ndacyayisenga <rugura@yahoo.com>
Envoyé : mardi 4 décembre 2018 11:19
À : Zac Biampa; Skweli; haguruka@yahoogroups.com; liza.kez@yahoo.com; kota venant
Cc : Aimable Rwamucyo; Nzinink; Michel Niyibizi; Brenden Russo; John Kagabo; Francois Munyabagisha; Lyar66; Pierre Foucher; Martin Bangamwabo; Tharcisse Semana; felixhabimana@yahoo.fr; MULINDAHABI Jean-Claude; Nsengiyumva Celestin; rudahi@hotmail.com; Mbaga Tuzinde; Ernest Mudage; Marie Madeleine BICAMUMPAKA; Twagirayezu Deo; Rudahi20
Objet : Re: Nouvelle Conference du Dr Charles Onana
 
Bwana Kota,

Nakomeje kwibaza rya hitishamo watumye Zac (Emmanuel Neretse) ngo angezeho, hanyuma n'amagambo twahererekanije, ibyo kwa Lafontaine nti byali ibyo kumbwiliza (nabyigishilijwe limwe na base ba bamwe kuli uru rubuga, ali nako uko ubwenge bwigiraga imbere bwakuranaga nabyo, ko byaba bikili d'actualité s'igitangaza, nubwo benshi bambalira mu bambaye amayugi bararabonye aho nyambalira (uretse nyine abo nsagalira kuli izi mbuga babuze ahandi batura agahinda kabo), 
Oya rwose nta mujinya natuye Charles Onana, ahubwo mukanya nabonye iyindi conférence ye, yashubije bimwe mubyo nibazaga muli yayindi wavugaga ko indenze, nayigiyemo "syndrome du voleur", nayumviyemo ko yafashe mu mugongo umupfakazi wa Dr Felix Moumié (wasimbuye Um N'yobe ) warwaniye kubohoza igihucu cyabo cya Cameroun, uwo Felix Moumié yanyweshejwe bya binyobwa byitilirwa général Dan Munyuza, kandi nali nsanzwe mubaza (ntumye mugenzi wacu Zac Biampa) aliko ibyo yavuze muli iyi conférence bwali ubwambere mbimwumvana, n'ubwo atali njye yasubizaga, iby'uko nta muhanuzi iwabo ndacyabimubonamo.
Iby'urusyo nabyo sinumvise aho wabiteruliye, waba se wali mubo Sindikubwabo yashishikalizaga kugira umurava? ali ibyo navuga nti reka iya Lafontaine tuyisubiremo, wibere akanyamasyo kifitiye urwako kagendana, nanjye unshakire inyeshyamba unyitilira (cyangwa se n'iyo mu za Gilbert Cesbron zabuliwe ikidali).

Nisobamuye nk'uwumvaga washatse kumusobanya, niba atalibyo wali ugambiliye utuma Zac, n'ubuhoro nta mujinya, nta n'umwikomo ngufitiye, ntawe nzagerekaho urusyo ku rundi (twese turazifite) n'aganyamasyo ngo nti "gasonga imbere" kadakuye umutwe munsi y'urusyo rwako, dukomeze rero twibengeteranire insyo zacu, kuziturana nibitunanira twe kuzashaka kuzitura abandi ntabwo ali "one size fit all" ou "pret à porter", n'abadoda za jenosiyidi bibagiwe ko atali nka cya kizibaho cya Yezu yakuliraga mo.

Tuli kumwe (dukote ubuzima ntibudukote).

On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:10:44 a.m. EST, kota venant <kotakori@hotmail.com> wrote:


Kijyana Liza, have wiyombera umuvandimwe, ngo nuko aganira na Mbaga. Mureke wimusumbuwa.
Gusa twakubwira ko iyo hali agira ati "...alikose muli make navuze wasnze conférence ya Onana ntacyo nakuyemo?" biba byabazwaga Kota, tuba twamusubije ko tutarabimenya, kuko ataraduha report y'ibyo yaganiliye na C. Onana yatubwiye ko agiye gushaka. Twe kirazira, ntituraguza ifuro!

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De : liza.kez@yahoo.com <liza.kez@yahoo.com>
Envoyé : dimanche 2 décembre 2018 00:46
À : rugura@yahoo.com; Zac Biampa; Skweli; haguruka@yahoogroups.com; kota venant
Cc : Chantal Karara; Agnesmurebwayire; Aimable Rwamucyo; Nzinink; Michel Niyibizi; Christophe Tuvugishukuri; Brenden Russo; John Kagabo; Francois Munyabagisha; MUSABYIMANA JEAN DE DIEU; Sibomana Jean Bosco; Innocent Twagiramungu; Lyar66; Pierre Foucher; Martin Bangamwabo; Agaculama Mu Ikibunda; Senga Emmanuel; Tharcisse Semana; felixhabimana@yahoo.fr; MULINDAHABI Jean-Claude; Nsengiyumva Celestin; rudahi@hotmail.com; Mbaga Tuzinde; Ernest Mudage; Marie Madeleine BICAMUMPAKA; Twagirayezu Deo; Theodore Mpatswenumugabo; Ndagijimana Jean-Marie; Shankuru Maurice; Filip Reyntjens; itwagira71@hotmail.com; UDAHEMUKA Eric; Rudahi20; Nsengabe
Objet : Re: Nouvelle Conference du Dr Charles Onana
 
Ntabwo ari Mbaga ni Kota!


On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 at 6:40 PM, Vincent Ndacyayisenga
<rugura@yahoo.com> wrote:
Muvandimwe Mbaga,

Erega no kwomora biratoneka,kimwe n'ukuri kurumika,kutali ugushilira mu biganiro,  kandi na birenge ubwira abandi atibwiye ntahoaba ahagaze,erega burya wagiraga inama Zac njye mutuma ,alikose muli make navuze wasnze conférence ya Onana ntacyo nakuyemo?

Ngaho weekend nziza.

On Saturday, December 1, 2018, 6:40:54 a.m. EST, kota venant <kotakori@hotmail.com> wrote:


Bwana Rugura, kuki ushaka kutugerekaho urusyo, uduhohotera nk'umwe bateye igofi ngo aratukanye, ali uko asuhuje undi amwita bwana, bikitwa ko amwise inyana ya lya tungo! Koko bigere aho tubaho nka kumwe kw'ahali abacitse intoki, umuntu abuza amaraso gutembera mu intoki aliho yilinda kurambura ibiganza! 
Gusa turagushimiye, muvandimwe Ndacyayisenga,  kuko uhise udutura urusyo washakaga kutwikoreza, uvuga ko uzajya kwibaliza C. Onana, waguteye umujinya wivura ujya mubyo abo kwa Sindikubwabo ubu bageze kuli Nkurunziza, mubyo abo kwa Mitterand ubu twatije LM n'ibya actualite ya Cameroun ubu nayo iliho irwana! Ibi byose birakwereka ukuntu Fable ya la Fontaine yo yerekana ibiliho, itagize uwo itera umutima n'ishavu (souffrance psychologique), muli make uwo isumbuwa.
Bulya ukuli kuralyana, aliko hali uko kuvugwa naho kuvugirwa ntibibabaze!



De : Vincent Ndacyayisenga <rugura@yahoo.com>
Envoyé : vendredi 30 novembre 2018 19:39
À : Zac Biampa; Skweli; haguruka@yahoogroups.com; kota venant
Cc : Liza Keza; Chantal Karara; Agnesmurebwayire; Aimable Rwamucyo; Nzinink; Michel Niyibizi; Christophe Tuvugishukuri; Brenden Russo; John Kagabo; Francois Munyabagisha; MUSABYIMANA JEAN DE DIEU; Sibomana Jean Bosco; Innocent Twagiramungu; Lyar66; Pierre Foucher; Martin Bangamwabo; Agaculama Mu Ikibunda; Senga Emmanuel; Tharcisse Semana; felixhabimana@yahoo.fr; MULINDAHABI Jean-Claude; Nsengiyumva Celestin; rudahi@hotmail.com; Mbaga Tuzinde; Ernest Mudage; Marie Madeleine BICAMUMPAKA; Twagirayezu Deo; Theodore Mpatswenumugabo; Ndagijimana Jean-Marie; Shankuru Maurice; Filip Reyntjens; itwagira71@hotmail.com; UDAHEMUKA Eric; Rudahi20; Nsengabe
Objet : Re: Nouvelle Conference du Dr Charles Onana
 
Kota we,

Uti inyandiko za Dr Onana zirandenze?merci pour l'evaluation, ko mbaye agasamunyiga,wowe se ubaye inkware ngo tujye kuli rwa Rutare? Singutuma kuli Onana nzamwibaliza,aliko n'untanga uzamumbalize ukuntu muli iliya analyse ye "scientifique" avuga intabaza ya Sindikubwabo, ntavuge ubukangurambaga bwe, acyaha abanyabutare? kuki atavuga ukundi ubufaransa bujya kwizilika akagozi ku kuguru, ukuntu Mitterand "chef des armées yafashe icyemezo cyo gutabara Habyalimana, ntagire icyo abwira son ministre de la défense J.P.Chevenement (Mitterand a-t-il perdu ses prérogatives de chef des armés avec la coahibitation?  ni etat major de l'Elysée qui a géré le dossier Rwadais, reka ndekere aha utampitiramo iyo ubushita bumereye nabi,LES LARMES DE L'HONNEUR abasilikare b'abafaransa ububalira  s'uRwanda ruyabaliza ni leta yabo, c'est une maigre consolation Onana abaha, et il beurre sa tartine au passage, uzamubaze niba son Cameroun natal idafite uwayo muzigo w'ibibazo....diréctement hérités de la colonisation (uzamubaze uti Dr Felix Moumié yaliyahuye?  
Que je sois un animal malade de la peste (nangwa nanjye nabizi, nkagira n'ababinyibutsa), sinzi aliko niba ma peste difficilement justifiable le serait moins que son parti-pris (lCamus ati "la recherche de la verite n'empeche pas de prendre parti," mais le parti-pris accouche d'une vérité poliomiélitique.(de la colonisation Allemande pour nos deux pays au protectorat francais pour le Cameroun, belge pour le Rwanda et le Burundi)

Reka Zac Biampa anyibwilire aya Onana,nimbona akanya nzamwimwibaliza connection y'iyi nkuru Ouandié Ernest - La Tribune de l'histoire - Cameroun na actualité de son Cameroun natal, 

 

Bwana Kotana, on dit que le pouvoir corrompt, et que le pouvoir absolu corrompt absolument (il est difficile pour Mr Onana de tanser un pouvoir absolu en absolvant celui tout aussi absolu qui l'a précédé (au fait, un pouvoir élu "démocratiquement ne devient-il pas absolu, le temps de son mandat?)

On Friday, November 30, 2018, 9:06:31 a.m. EST, kota venant <kotakori@hotmail.com> wrote:




Aliko bwana Zac Biampa, wambwiye umuvandimwe Rugura kwisomera  https://poesie.webnet.fr/lesgrandsclassiques/Poemes/jean_de_la_fontaine/les_animaux_malades_de_la_pesteko alibyo byoroshye kurusha iby'uyu munyafurika Onana?  Abafransa ni mubihorerere, hali icyo bishakira ubu mwe mutazi, cyabagira inshuti z'Urwanda n'iza super puissances occidentales.

De : Zac Biampa <zac.biampa@yahoo.fr>
Envoyé : vendredi 30 novembre 2018 00:25

À : Vincent Ndacyayisenga
Objet :
Nouvelle Confrerence du Dr Charles Onana
 
Rugura wiriwe,
Uzafate akanya wumve mon ami Charles Onana avuga ibya sa France na Rwanda yacu.


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