Abatutsi benshi ahubwo bavuga urukiga rw'i Byumba. Nkibaza ahubwo impamvu FPR yabishe nabi kandi ikaba ikibakurikirana, barabacumbiciye, bakarara mu mazi yabo, bagasahura, amabati y'amazu bakayakuraho bajya kuyagurisha no kubaka i Bugande, bagasahura, bagafa ku ngufu ibyo bari bafite mu gihe cy'imyaka 4 yose y'intambara, bakabica nabi babasatura inda, bakabirukana bakamara imyaka ine mu buhungiro, bagatwika amazu yabo, abacecuru, abamugaye, abarwayi bakabahitana. Ibyo byabaye ku mu makomine yegereye Ubugande ariyo Muvumba, Mukarange na Kiyombe. Aho hose niho Kagame yatangiriye gutsembatsema, ahasigara wenyine ahatembera we n'aba Kayumba Nyamwasa n'abandi.
Maze ngo ibyo BBC nibivuga kandi abanyamakuru babo barabibonye batumiwe na Kagame , Kagame ati BBC yakoze ishyano nyamara ibifitiye gihamya. Ahubwo BBC yavuze bike. Ibindi biracyaza. Muritege. Habanje BBC, n'bandi bazakurkira vuba aha.
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Sent: Friday, 17 October 2014, 15:24
Subject: FW: [RwandaLibre] Fw: *DHR* Re:[e_karangwa] umubare w'abatutsi mu Rwanda.
Hee! Rppinvura ati" Ahubwo yenda ibyashoboka ni hagati ya Abakiga n'abanyarwanda. Impamvu nuko Abakiga bavuga urukiga cy (ikinyarwanda cyigikiga)kandi imico yabo yaba itandukanye niya abandi abanyarwanda batuye muri regions zindi z'urwanda (ex.kubyina). Ikindi nuko bafite igice baturukamo murwanda. Mbese ibice babarizwarimo. Ikibazo iyo uvuze abahutu cg abatutsi nukuvuga abanyarwanda bose rusange uretse Abakiga."
Erega shenge n'abatutsi b'abakiga babaho! Urugero Abagogwe ntabwo babarirwaga mu Nduga na busa!Urukiga - Gisenyi, Ruhengeri na Byumba- (reba ibyanditswe na Guichaoua wa Sorbone, 2004) kandi rwatanze bamwe mu batutsi bagiye gutuzwa mu Bugesera muli za 1959-1961, rufite na za memorials z'abaturage b'abatutsi bishwe muli genocide, rukanagira n'abacikacumu b'abatutsi.Kandi hali uwigeze gukosora vuba aha umukobwa wa Kagame amubwira ko avuze igikiga! Nonese ubwo uyu mwana yahindutse umuhutu wo mu rukiga raa?None Nduga irusha iki Urukiga ngo muvuge ko aliyo nyili-abatutsi yonyine?
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From: RwandaLibre@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 13:00:18 +0100
Subject: [RwandaLibre] Fw: *DHR* Re:[e_karangwa] umubare w'abatutsi mu Rwanda.
Kagame nawe kandi yemeye ko afasha abatutsi kurusha abahutu. None se abafasha atabazi ? Atazi umubare wabo, atazi aho baba, atazi aho bakora, atazi ibibazo byabo ? None kumenya umubare wabo biramunaniye ?----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Samuel Desire <sam4des@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Friday, 17 October 2014, 12:56
Subject: Fw: *DHR* Re:[e_karangwa] umubare w'abatutsi mu Rwanda.
Mureke kutubeshya ko Kagame na FPR batanga imyanya, amafaranga, akazi , business, za credits, n'ibindi batazi uwo babihaye ! Ingero zirahari. Niba se ashobora kutibeshya k'uwo yahaye ibyo byose, yananirwa n'iki kumenya umubare w'abo yabihaye. None se programmes zose zagenewe abatutsi gusa y compris za FARG dore hashize imyaka 20 ni ukuvuga ko zikorwa buhumyi. Mureke izo theories zanyu.----- Forwarded Message -----
From: "Samuel Desire sam4des@yahoo.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
To: "Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
Sent: Friday, 17 October 2014, 12:50
Subject: Re: *DHR* Re:[e_karangwa] umubare w'abatutsi mu Rwanda.
ibi byose muribeshya. Nymara iyo ubutegetsi bushaka gutanga services ntabwo bwibeshya ku muhutu n'umututsi. Ndetse n'umunyarwanda ubwe ntabwo yibeshya. Ngaho mukomere.
From: "rppimvura rppimvura@yahoo.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
To: Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
Sent: Friday, 17 October 2014, 11:27
Subject: Re: *DHR* Re:[e_karangwa] umubare w'abatutsi mu Rwanda.
Banyarubuga mwese. Nacyera byari bigoranye. Impamvu hara abatutsi benshi bari bafite indangamuntu cg indondora koko ya abahutu kandi ataribo. Impamvu nuko bashakishaga imibereho nakazi. Ubo ugiye mwibarura ryamako wasanga abatutsi aribo benshi. Impamvu nuko abahutu bari murwanda benshi bakwiyita abatutsi kugirango babone protection. Ibyo rero nibintu bigoye kubantu bavuga ururimi rumwe kandi bafite culture ihuye. Ahubwo yenda ibyashoboka nihagati ya Abakiga n'abanyarwanda. Impamvu nuko Abakiga bavuga urukiga cy (ikinyarwanda cyigikiga)kandi imico yabo yaba itandukanye niya abandi abanyarwanda batuye muri regions zindi z'urwanda (ex.kubyina) Ikindi nuko bafite igice baturukamo murwanda. Mbese ibice babarizwarimo. Ikibazo iyo uvuze abahutu cg abatutsi nukuvuga abanyarwanda bose rusange uretse Abakiga. Iyo uvuze Nguga uba uvuze ahabutu nabatutsi bose rusange. Icyimenyi menyi usubiye inyuma ugasuzuma zira nzira karengane 730 za Abanyenduga zishwe nareta ya Habyarimana usanga birabishimangira ino analysis. Ntaho bivugwa ko muri 73 ko leta ya Habyarimana yishe ababutu ahubwo bivugwa ko Habyarimana yatsembye abanyenduga. Ikindi ubajije umurage umuhutu numutisi aho batuye murwanda yakubwira uko batuye hose murwanda. Ariko abajije imuturagye abantu bakomoka Byumba cg Ruhengeri yakubwira ko Arabakiga. Biragoye rero gutecyeteza mubyamoko murwanda cyane kubyerecyeye umubare wabatusi nababahutu. munsi mwiza. Ms Ngamije.Sent from Samsung Mobile
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From: "tatienndolimana miheto tatien2miheto@yahoo.fr [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
Date: 17/10/2014 10:39 (GMT+00:00)
To: Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
Subject: Re: *DHR* Re:[e_karangwa] umubare w'abatutsi mu Rwanda.
Dear all,Kumenya umubare w'abatutsi cyangwa abahutu mu Rwanda, ubu ntibigishoboka kubera impamvu nyinshi zirimo izo Ngabo yakomojeho.Hari indi mpamvu y'ingenzi nongeraho, iyo nta yindi ni urujya n'uruza mu baturage bo mu karere (Afrique de l'Est na RD CONGO) kuva muri 1994 kugeza nonone muri 2014 no kugeza ejo n'ejo bundi hazaza.Kuva juin 1994, abaganda, abatanzaniya, abazayirwa (cyane cyane abanyamurenge), abarundi, binjiye mu Rwanda kugeza na nubu bakinjira, ntibabarika kandi hafi bose ubu bahawe ubunyarwanda kandi nta nubwo bagumana ubuganda, ubuzayirwa, ubutanzaniya, uburundi bwabo.Ku rundi ruhande, abanyarwanda basohoka mu Rwanda bagana ibi bihugu nabo ni benshi kandi abenshi muri bo nabo bahita bibera abagande, abazayirwa, abatanzaniya, abarundi...Muri make, akarere kabaye urujya n'uruza kuburyo, mu myaka nka 30 iri imbere, gushaka kumenya ubwoko (etnies) bw'abanyarwanda, bizaba ari ikintu kiri ridicule.Urugero twashingiraho ry'ukuntu abanyamahanga uRwanda rumaze guha ubwenegihu ari benshi, ni urw'abakinyi b'umupira; mu kwezi gushize byaragaragaye ko hafi 50% ari abanyamahanga bahawe ubunyarwanda, twese tuzi uherutse gutuma uRwanda rusezererwa mu marushanwa maze akaba imbarutso yatumye uRwanda rusuzuma abandi bakinyi bose bahawe ubunyarwanda....
De : "e_karangw@yahoo.com [Democracy_Human_Rights]" <Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr>
À : Democracy_Human_Rights@yahoogroupes.fr
Envoyé le : Jeudi 16 octobre 2014 22h33
Objet : Re: *DHR* Re:[e_karangwa] umubare w'abatutsi mu Rwanda.
Zac,Je pensais que vous me demandiez le nombre des Hutus et des Tutsis en 2014. Je vous disais qu'à défaut de recensement portant sur ces categories on n'a pas ces chiffres mais qu'on peut avoir une estimation. On peut estimer le nombre de tutsis en se basant sur le nombre de ceux qui ont survécu en1994 et ceux qui sont rentrés de l'exil (les estimations du gouvernement existent même si le terme Tutsi n'est pas utilisé). Vous pouvez projeter ce nombre à 2014 en tenant compte du taux de croissance general de la polulation.). Le nombre de Hutus serait déduit à partir de la population total et la population Tutsi estimée.Si vous me demandiez quelle était la population des Tutsis en 1991, Je considère que la méthodologie de Verpooten qui base le nombre de Tutsis non pas sur le recensement de 1991 mais sur les données administratives rapportées par les autorités locales est très credible. Ces autorités administratives n'avaient aucune raison de sous-estimer ou surestimer le nombre des Tutsis lors de ces rapports. Pour la prefecture de Gikongoro que le chercheur a analysé, le recensement de 1991 établissait le nombre des Tutsis à 12.5%, alors que ces rapports administratifs évaluaient ce chiffre à 17.5%. Le politologue Jean Paul Kimonyo a constaté le meme phénomène dans les communes de kibuye qu'il a étudiées.EK
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