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Rwose turongeye turagushimye, bwana Bangamwabo.

 

Aliko biragaragara ko utorohewe, ubwo ugeze aho kutunyaga ubumuntu utwita baringa.

 

Reka tukuyambe, muvandimwe, tugusezera. Ngaho rero.

 


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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 15:27:06 +0000
Subject: Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 

Ese nari nzi ko mvugana na KOTA none ni baringa!!
Mbonye wandikishije messagerie ya KOTA ngirango ni impaka zigikomeza, ariko uko ngiye nsoma nsanga si KOTA uvuga.
Niba ushaka kumusubiriza (ushobora kuba uzi aho wamushyize) gerageza ubanze ucengere ibyo tuvuga usubize ibijyanye na byo.

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Envoyé le : Mardi 6 octobre 2015 16h13
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Turagushimiye natwe bwana Bangamwabo. 
Ntubona se ko iliganya n'amanyanganya mu bantu alibyo byicira abanyarwanda, bigateranya abavandimwe Mukotanyi na Habyara nkuko ubivuga, bikazana imhaka zitagira icyo zishingiyeho kigaragara nyamara zihekura Urwanda, bigatuma bahemukirana bibagiwe ko nta numwe muli bo uzatura nk'imisozi. None se ntureba ko byose ubyunvise bikaba sawa, kuko twaganiliye ibiliho nta gukinga no kubeshya. 
 
Hali icyokora  utuntu tubili twifuza ko wamenya: 
1. Ali Padiri ali na Lyangombe byose ntiwakagize icyo uhitamo, ushishoje wakwicecekera. Kuko nkuko twabikubwiye, ntabwo uzi muli mwe mwembi uzatanga undi kwitaba ku gitabu i bwami, keretse niba wowe warabonekewe ukabibwirwa. Have rwose wibara amatunda uli hejuru mu giti, kandi wibuke ko ibuye (ikinonko) limwe na limwe limeneka urwondo rugisukuma. Wiba nka za njiji zirwa zirata ngo imibili myiza yazo, nyamara zitazi ko igihe ikizimu kizayivamo kikigendera, ibinyama bisigaye bizahita bijugunywa vuba na bwangu! 
 
2. Naho ibyo iliya jigija n'abafite invi ushaka kuvuga ko ntaburere baba bagitanga urahushije, uratubiye cyane rwose. Uzarebe abasaza nka T. Rutaremara, umwamikazi Elisabeti, Nyilubutagatifu Francois, B. Clinton,  You you Tu,  Dr Banyaga, etc. ni mbene abo tuvomaho uburere ndashyikirwa buzira ubuhubutsi bwa gisore, kandi turahamya ko barusha Kota imyaka n'invi!   



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From: fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 14:47:17 +0000
Subject: Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 

 
Bwana KOTA urakoze kumenyesha imigambi yawe kabone naho waba utakiriho.
Cyakora ibuye ryagaragaye ntiriba rikishe isuka keretse ari bimwe bya kakandi  kiziritse ku muhoro gasiga kawuciye. Irebere nawe ibya Mukotanyi na Habyara...
Mpisemo rero kuzisunga Padiri, ibya Ryangombe na Binego ndabiguhariye.
Naho iby'uburere bw'abato bacuo uzajye ubanza ushishoze abarebwa kuko burya ngo Ijigija y'inkuri ishoka mu isibo y'amashashi.
Ikindi kandi urebye aho tugeze niba utararera rirasa n'iritangiye kurenga kandi buryo ngo Ubwenge buziye mu mvi buramira ibyacitse.
 

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Envoyé le : Lundi 5 octobre 2015 16h11
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Yewe bwana  Bangamwabo,
Inkotanyi wenda ziracyashakisha aliko ntizirabona ubulyo bwo kurasa kuli Kota. Ahubwo zamwiciye abe 19. Nyamara ibili amambu ziyibagije ko atazangaga, ni ikimenyimenyi bamwe muli benewabo (Bizimungu, Sendashonga, Kanyarengwe, Lizinde, Cyiza, Rwarakabije, Uwilingiyimana, Twagiramungu, etc.) alibo baliho bazirwanilira ngo zigere i Kigali!
Icyokora Kota naramuka apfuye/yishwe mbere yawe bwana Bangamwabo, ikizimu cye kikagutera aho uba, uzakibandirwe iza " Lyangombe na Binego bya Kajumba wowe ukina Inkonjo Nyabakonjo" cyangwa se uzasabe padiri wo muli Kiliziya Gatolika akivugire " misa uzabera umuhereza". Kimwe muli ibyo byombi wazahitamo azagishima, ntaruhanya.

PS.: Ubundi nti tuba twiliwe tugusubiza mu rwego rwo kwilinda guharabika posting y'abandi; aliko rero muvandimwe, kurera abato bacu ngo bamenye uko bifata bashowe mu matiku tubona bikili ngombwa cyane, ni ibyo tuliho dukora abanyarubuga batubabalire. 


   
 


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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 08:16:41 +0000
Subject: Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 

Bwana KOTA se, nshimye ko nterekera kiriya kizimu cu'umwana w'umuhungu wibereye i Tingi-tingi akanga akantera. None se iki Kizimu kitwa KOTA cyo ndakibandirwa iza hehe?

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Envoyé le : Vendredi 2 octobre 2015 16h05
Objet : FW: [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 
Hee bwana Bangamwabo, uzigore usome neza diskuru ya Madamu Ingabire wa FDU ku Rwibutso rwa Gisozi utibagiwe n'imanza zayikozweho muli rukiko rw'ikirenga (cour supreme) rwa Rwanda. Nurangiza kubisoma ukunva ugifite ibidasobanutse bijyanye n'iki kibazo cyawe cya cyambere, ubwo uzatubwire tugusobanulire.  Twizeye ko  na Bwana Nzinink azatugoboka kugira ngo tugusobanulire nk'aba professa babikwiye, batali bamwe intore zirwa ziha urwamenyo zibita ba the best docta  kuko ngo zamaze kabina imiti. 

Naho kuby'uyu mwana w'umuhungu, ni akumiro wagushije! Kuko tuzi, kandi nabo barabyivugira, ko inkotanyi zidahusha iyo zirasa, ni ntyoza. Ubwo rero uyu muhungu yalishwe ntashiti. Ahubwo ikizimu cye nicyo cyahingutse aho uba, kigutera ubwoba. 
Muvandimwe rero, fata umuheha (pipe) uwukoze muli divayi, usome umire gake agasigaye mu muheha ugatonyangilize mu ziko (cyangwa kuli cooker), ugira uti "Seka gororoka, tanga amahoro!". Hanyuma  unalilimbe ya ndilimbo ya Bwana Kizito Mihigo wo mu Bufundu yise ''Igisobanuro cy'urupfu", icyo kizimu nturongera kukibona ngo uhahamuke wibaza byinshi. 


 

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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 15:00:52 +0000
Subject: Re: [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 

Ese bwana KOTA, iyo uvuze abacikacumu n'abanyarwanda basanzwe, ubatandukanya gute?
Ejo hari umwana w'umuhungu ( ariko afite 37 ans...) yagenze amahanga agera za Tingi-tingi, inkotanya imurasaho arashibuka aribira yuburukira Bangui none ageze ino.
Yaravugaga ati jye ndi Umucikacumu. Urumva avuga ukuli cyangwa arashinyagura?

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Envoyé le : Jeudi 1 octobre 2015 16h29
Objet : [fondationbanyarwanda] FW: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 
Murakoze muvandimwe Nzinink.
Amahanga nyine azi ibyo yakoze hamwe n'inkotanyi (iliya link twerekanye ni preuve y'ibyo koko). Noneho iyo umuntu avuze ku by'iwacu mu bulyo bunyuranya n'ugushaka kw'inkotanyi, RPF ihita imubonamo umwanzi kabombo.
Ikamufunga/ikamwica iyo ali mu Rwanda; ikamuhiga inamuhigisha iyo ali hanze, igakoresha rero baliya bayishyigikiye ikamubasaba. Noneho ayo mahanga agashora imanza-matiku (ntatinya ndetse no gusubira mu zaciwe azigoreka) ashaka ubulyo yamutanga ngo agaragaze ubushuti magara kwa RPF  hakagerekwaho kandi ko ali n'ubulyo bwo kwikiza imhunzi yaje kuyagagaza no kulya ibyayo. 
Nguwo umutego Prof Munyakazi n'abandi benshi mu banyarwanda balimo. Ngibyo ibituma imanza zarabaye uruduca hose, ntabwo rwose ali urukundo, imhuhwe cyangwa se ubumuntu budasanzwe amahanga afitiye abanyarwanda. Aliko nta joro lidacya, bizashira haganze ukuli nkuko abicishije Galileya bayoyotse we akaba aterekerwa nk'umuhanga w'isi.  

Naho ibyo Ambasada J M Ndagijimana avuga, ni byo:  ni twe abanyarwanda ubwacu twagize ubwugugu, ishyali, ubuliganya n'ubuswa turoha igihugu cyacu mu ntambara n'ibyo ibyara byose. Twararwishigishiye twese, Hutu na Tutsi! Kandi ntacyo twungutse na gito mu mitegekere y'igihugu (dore commission iliho iliga uko  ibyo kwa Habyarimana twabigarura): ntibibuza abapfa gupfa haba mu nkotanyi, haba mu bacikacumu, haba no mu bandi banyarwanda basanzwe. Naho propagande yo nta cyahindutse iracyali imwe ya "Nzaguherekeza Habyarimana". 


 


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From: haguruka@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:10:29 -0400
Subject: [haguruka.com] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 

Komera Kota,

Reka twiganirire mu rurimi rwa Gihanga ni rwo nishyikira ho cyane.
Iriya nyandiko wandangiye nari nsanzwe nyizi. Icyo nayivuga ho ni uko idasubiza impungenge zanjye n'iza Nsengiyumva ku byerekeye amabanga u Rda na Amerika byaba bifitanye ku byerekeye amahano yagwiriye uRda, ayo mabanga akaba ashobora kuba ari mu bituma Prof Munyakazi atotezwa.

Iriya nyandiko wandangiye kandi nta gishya njye yanyunguye. Icyo igamije mbere na mbere ni ugukingira ikibaba amahanga. Ntigaragaza ukuri kwose ku byabaye mu Rwanda, cyane cyane ukuntu bimwe mu bihugu by'ibihangange byashyigikiye Inkotanyi.

Ibintu njye uko mbibona biteye bitya:

-nta na rimwe biriya bihugu bizigera byemera ko byashyigikiye Inkotanyi;
-biriya bihugu ntibizigera kandi byivuguruza ngo bivuge ko ubwicanyi bwabaye mu Rda atari genocide yakorewe abatutsi;
-k'ubw'amahirwe ubwicanyi bwibasiye abahutu (mu Rda no muri Congo) na bwo buzagera aho bwitabwe ho maze ababwijanditse mo bisobanure imbere y'amategeko.

Ni yo mpamvu, nk'uko Amb. JMV Ndagijimana yabivuze mu minsi yashize, abanyarwanda ntitwagombye guhora twitakana amahanga. Ni twe ubwacu (abahutu n'abatutsi) mbere na mbere tugomba kwibaza tukisubiza tugafata n'ingamba nyazo zikumira ariya mahano: nibyo koko twarateranywe ari ko natwe ubwacu ntitukibagirwe ko twatereranye abacu tukanatsembana.

"It is true that we were abandoned. But we abandoned our people, and massacred our own people," Jean-Marie Vianney Ndagijimana, Rwanda's ambassador to Paris during the genocide, said during the review. "Primary responsibility for the genocide, and the crimes that accompanied it, must be borne by us, Rwandans. We must accept that fact before we make accusations against the international community."

Pour votre info:

International Decision Making in the Age of Genocide: Rwanda 1990–94


 

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Subject: FW: [fondationbanyarwanda] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 
Dear netters, we wonder why do people still ask the hen's teeth when its mouth has been widely opened?  
Sir Nzinink, you have nothing to "totally agree with sir Nsengiyunva''. If you were performing other duties, please now open this link and read what is officially known/revealed:  http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB472/ ! The information may allow you to better understand that something common between both powers about the 1994 hell over Rwanda. 
Prof Munyakazi and other likes who dare pointing out seen difficulties in the complicated history of conflict in Rwanda are in a sinking boat and have nothing else or more to do. Only to hope in and pray God for he be ready to receive their soul in paradise!   









And Ndumunyarwanda policy would be telling people that there is/was no ethnic divide in Rwanda [official government policy)!



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From: fondationbanyarwanda@yahoogroupes.fr
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:29:46 -0400
Subject: [fondationbanyarwanda] Re: Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

 

"It is clear to me, that there is something the US government and Rwandan authorities have in common, about the 1994 hell over Rwanda.  It has nothing to do with justice. And it is what accounts for the deportation of Prof Munyakazi", Celestin Nsengiyumva.

I totally agree with you.
From: Nsengiyumva Celestin <cnnsengi@yahoo.fr>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [uRwanda_rwacu] Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

Something is amiss. If there is no ethnic divide [official government policy; Prof Munyakazi, Father Nahimana], then there was no genocide. It was some sort of national madness. In that case, even the government of Rwanda, while prosecuting genocide deniers, is itself in a situation of genocide denial.   And now, Prof Munyakazi is facing a situation of justice denial.
It is clear to me, that there is something the US government and Rwandan authorities have in common, about the 1994 hell over Rwanda.  It has nothing to do with justice.And it is what accounts for the deportation of Prof Munyakazi.
 


Le Lundi 28 septembre 2015 22h28, "Nzinink nzinink@yahoo.com [uRwanda_rwacu]" <uRwanda_rwacu@yahoogroups.com> a écrit :


 

Rwanda: Nahimana asks why the US wants to deport Munyakazi

Submitted by Ann Garrison on Sat, 09/26/2015 - 21:09

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    KPFA Weekend News, 09.26.2015
    Dr. Léopold Munyakazi has been denied an emergency stay of his extradition to Rwanda. Father Thomas Nahima says that this is unjust because Dr. Munyakazi has committed no crime.
    Transcript: 
    KPFA Weekend News Anchor Sharon Sobotta: Dr. Léopold Munyakazi is in the custody of ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, altDr. Léopold Munyakazi, a former French professor at Gaucher collegein Miami, Florida, where he is on the verge of being deported to Rwanda for alleged crimes related to the 1994 massacres that came to be known as the Rwandan Genocide. This week a court denied his request for an emergency stay so that he could complete the appeals process.
     
    The Rwandan government accused Professor Munyakazi of genocide crime after he made several speeches to university audiences in which he said that the Rwandan massacres were not genocide but class conflict.
     
    KPFA's Ann Garrison spoke to Father Thomas Nahimana about the Munyakazi case. Nahimana is a Catholic priest who plans to return from France to Rwanda in 2016 to challenge incumbent President Paul Kagame in the 2017 election.
     
    KPFA/Ann Garrison: Dr. Léopold Munyakazi, a former French professor at Goucher College, is close to being deported from the U.S., back to Rwanda, for giving several speeches in which he described the massacres as class conflict, not ethnic conflict. He said that Rwandans are the same people, speaking the same language and sharing the same culture. So the Hutu Tutsi conflict was really a class divide, not an ethnic divide. What do you think of that?
     
    Father Thomas Nahimana: Yes. I think that I agree with Munyakazi. I agree very much with him. And the division between Hutu and Tutsi, it is not a matter of blood. It is a matter of political and social interests only.
     
    But this is not a sin. This is not a crime. I don't understand why America accepts that Munyakazi has to face the problem that he is facing nowadays. 
     
    This is analysis which is good, which is good about our society. 
     
    KPFA: Well, when I began to try to understand this, I thought, "You speak the same language. You have the same culture. How am I supposed to understand this Hutu Tutsi divide as ethnic?" 
     
    Nahimana: Yes. The reality is that in our country, we are one people. Yes, we speak the same language. We marry each other, and the problems rise only when there is power to share. The international community must know that really, Hutu and Tutsi, it is not a problem of blood. It is only a problem of economic and political interests only. 
     
    KPFA: That would be a really radical change in the way the world thinks about Rwanda because we're commonly told that the U.S. needs to go to war, as in Libya or Syria, to stop genocide, as we failed to in Rwanda. Could you comment on that? 
     
    Nahimana: I think the problem of Rwandan Genocide is always complicated because the genocide happened when there was a civil war since four years. So, there was a part who wanted to win the war and to take power. And that part was RPF led by Paul Kagame. They didn't want anyone to intervene to stop that. That's true. They wanted to take power. The international community hasn't any fault. I can say that because we know, by history, that RPF wrote letters to the UN saying that they didn't want anybody to intervene.
     
    When they talk about genocide, they speak only about what happened in the part that was governed by the former government of Habyarimana, but they never talk about what was happening in the part where it was RPF. 
     
    KPFA: OK, you're talking about the areas that were RPF territory. The violence and atrocities that took place in territory controlled by the RPF - the winners - that's not reported. 
     
    Nahimana: Yes, and we are asking ourselves why the international community continues to keep a blind eye to the atrocities committed by the RPF, and that is a big problem for reconciliation in Rwanda.
     
    KPFA: And that was Father Thomas Nahimana speaking about the extradition case of former Goucher College French professor Dr. Léopold Munyakazi. Munyakazi's lawyer and supporters say that he will not recant his description of the Rwandan massacres as a class conflict because too many lives in the African Great Lakes Region depend on truth being told.

    For Pacifica, KPFA and AfrobeatRadio, I'm Ann Garrison. 
     


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